Results 1 to 6 of 6
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • Taiwan
      • Current Location:
      • Taiwan

    • Join Date: May 2006
    • Posts: 107
    #1

    rule of omitting one's surname Ellie and Irene Bard.

    Dear all,

    I came across the acknowledgements in a book and one sentence of it reads:

    "Thanks also to David Race, Ellie and Irene Bard, and Conrad Feather."

    I noticed that Ellie's surname has been omitted. Does this mean she shares the same surname with Irene?

    Besides, I know that husband and wifes' names can be written in this way in English. But both Ellie and Irene are female names. I suppose they are not husband and wife. I'd like to know if two (or more) pepoles' names can be written in this way as long as they share the same surname, or if this implies that they are in a marital relationship, or if this implies that Ellie and Irene are sisters and perhaps Ellie is the older one.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • England

    • Join Date: Jun 2010
    • Posts: 24,463
    #2

    Re: rule of omitting one's surname

    Same-sex marriages take place in a growing number of countries. We cannot tell whether Ellie and Irene Bard are spouses, sisters, mother and daughter, or cousins, though if the book pre-dates 2001, they will not be spouses.

    (Note: '...husband and wife's names...')
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 30-Jan-2016 at 09:31.

  1. MikeNewYork's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • American English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Nov 2002
    • Posts: 24,983
    #3

    Re: rule of omitting one's surname

    To answer the first question, I read that as the two women having the same surname. Their relationship cannot be determined by the original "sentence".

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • American English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Dec 2015
    • Posts: 9,272
    #4

    Re: rule of omitting one's surname Ellie and Irene Bard.

    If Ellie Bard and Irene Bard are unrelated, the author would have included the surname both times. Thus we can infer that they are related. We can't guess what their relationship is.
    I am not a teacher.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Laos

    • Join Date: Nov 2002
    • Posts: 57,842
    #5

    Re: rule of omitting one's surname Ellie and Irene Bard.

    Quote Originally Posted by KuaiLe View Post
    I suppose they are not husband and wife.
    From the wording we cannot tell, but my default interpretation would be that they're married. I would go for their being siblings second. Sharing a surname would come very low down the list.

  2. emsr2d2's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK

    • Join Date: Jul 2009
    • Posts: 41,826
    #6

    Re: rule of omitting one's surname Ellie and Irene Bard.

    I would make the same assumptions as Tdol. Like GoesStation, I would expect the surname to be repeated if the two people happened to share the same surname but were unrelated.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

Similar Threads

  1. The Sound of the Bard
    By BobK in forum General Language Discussions
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 14-Mar-2012, 16:23
  2. [General] surname or last name?
    By Delapoma in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 11-Feb-2009, 16:25
  3. surname
    By peter123 in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 27-Nov-2008, 09:34
  4. Bard
    By Mad-ox in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 09-Feb-2008, 21:01
  5. surname--Rojas
    By Unregistered in forum Pronunciation and Phonetics
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 24-Apr-2005, 04:23

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •