Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 21
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Georgia
      • Current Location:
      • Georgia

    • Join Date: Apr 2010
    • Posts: 293
    #1

    The ''ə'' sound

    Hello,

    When we combine the words ''mother'' and ''daughter'' we must pronounce the ''r'' sound after mother and the ''and'' must be pronounced as ən and not as ''ənd''. I would be grateful for an explanation.

    Thank you!

  1. bhaisahab's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Ireland

    • Join Date: Apr 2008
    • Posts: 25,624
    #2

    Re: The ''ə'' sound

    Who told you that we must do these things?
    Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.

    Arthur Schopenhauer

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • American English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Dec 2015
    • Posts: 9,311
    #3

    Re: The ''ə'' sound

    Quote Originally Posted by sondra View Post
    Hello,

    When we combine the words ''mother'' and ''daughter'' we must pronounce the ''r'' sound after mother and the ''and'' must be pronounced as ən and not as ''ənd''. I would be grateful for an explanation.
    Most Americans and Canadians pronounce the r in mother anyway. In non-rhotic dialects (most BrE and some AmE dialects), trailing r is usually pronounced if the following word begins with a vowel sound as in mother_and. This is called a linking R. The article I linked to also explains the intrusive R which speakers of non-rhotic dialects often add between words ending and beginning with vowel sounds. Linking and intrusive Rs are added for the same reason we say an instead of a before a vowel sound: to avoid the awkward (for Anglophones) joining of two vowel sounds.

    We don't pronounce the d in and if the next word begins with a d or, for most speakers, with any consonant sound.
    I am not a teacher.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Georgia
      • Current Location:
      • Georgia

    • Join Date: Apr 2010
    • Posts: 293
    #4

    Re: The ''ə'' sound

    I read about it, bhaisahab:)

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Georgia
      • Current Location:
      • Georgia

    • Join Date: Apr 2010
    • Posts: 293
    #5

    Re: The ''ə'' sound

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Most Americans and Canadians pronounce the r in mother anyway. In non-rhotic dialects (most BrE and some AmE dialects), trailing r is usually pronounced if the following word begins with a vowel sound as in mother_and. This is called a linking R. The article I linked to also explains the intrusive R which speakers of non-rhotic dialects often add between words ending and beginning with vowel sounds. Linking and intrusive Rs are added for the same reason we say an instead of a before a vowel sound: to avoid the awkward (for Anglophones) joining of two vowel sounds.

    We don't pronounce the d in and if the next word begins with a d or, for most speakers, with any consonant sound.
    For example, when the word begins with an S, Mother and sister or with G, Mother and Gloria or with B, mother and Betty, native speakers would not pronounce the d, right?


    Thank you very much. Are there any other similar exceptions? Your explanation is very helpful.
    Last edited by sondra; 19-Feb-2016 at 09:28.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Laos

    • Join Date: Nov 2002
    • Posts: 57,888
    #6

    Re: The ''ə'' sound

    It is possible in non-rhotic variants to pronounce the words separately and distinctly, though in connected speech we would rarely do this. There is no law saying we must use the linking R, however.
    Last edited by Tdol; 19-Feb-2016 at 12:29. Reason: word -> words

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Georgia
      • Current Location:
      • Georgia

    • Join Date: Apr 2010
    • Posts: 293
    #7

    Re: The ''ə'' sound

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    It is possible in non-rhotic variants to pronounce the word separately and distinctly, though in connected speech we would rarely do this.There is no law saying we must use the linking R, however.
    So in everyday speech native speakers would still say mʌə ənd. I am glad that there is no law saying that it is impossible :)
    But we cannot say that about the d in ''and'' when the next word begins with any consonant sound including d, the d is not pronounced. Or? Isn't it a strict grammar rule?

  2. Piscean's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • Czech Republic
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic

    • Join Date: Jul 2015
    • Posts: 9,981
    #8

    Re: The ''ə'' sound

    There are no grammar rules about pronunciation. The extent to which such features as assimilation, contraction, elision, vintrusion, juncture and linking are natural and acceptable varies from dialect to dialect and speaker to speaker, and depends on the formality of the situation.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Laos

    • Join Date: Nov 2002
    • Posts: 57,888
    #9

    Re: The ''ə'' sound

    Quote Originally Posted by sondra View Post
    So in everyday speech native speakers would still say mʌə ənd.
    I didn't say that- most speech is connected speech, so this is a less likely form than one linked by /r/. I said that it was possible- old school RP speakers, for instance, might not use /r/.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Georgia
      • Current Location:
      • Georgia

    • Join Date: Apr 2010
    • Posts: 293
    #10

    Re: The ''ə'' sound

    I also wanted to ask about the word ''Deity'' in which The 'ə' is not pronounced /ˈdeɪəti/ I was wondering why it is not pronounced.

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. sound əl
    By kira87 in forum Pronunciation and Phonetics
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 13-Dec-2015, 08:30
  2. question about the sound /əˈ
    By kira87 in forum Pronunciation and Phonetics
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 23-Nov-2015, 09:44
  3. question about the sound /əˈ
    By kira87 in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 22-Nov-2015, 22:58
  4. ɪn fər/ fə ə peni
    By HifaMo in forum Pronunciation and Phonetics
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 10-Apr-2013, 18:43
  5. woman for /wʊmən/ or /wəmən/
    By keannu in forum Pronunciation and Phonetics
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-Feb-2013, 16:54

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •