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    #1

    insist

    1) I insisted that they moved to London.
    2) I insisted on their moving to London.

    Are both right, please?

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    #2

    Re: insist

    In AmE, the first should be I insisted [that] they move to London. BrE speakers frequently use the indicative here, where AmE speakers use the subjunctive.

    The second is right anywhere.
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    Re: insist

    Interesting....I would have assumed that it would be the other way round. Normally BrE is more strict with the usage of grammar.

    Thanks.

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    #4

    Re: insist

    I would use "move" in 1).
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    #5

    Re: insist

    Are you from the UK?

    Sure, so it is like with 'suggest'.
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    Re: insist

    Quote Originally Posted by irinaofr View Post
    Interesting....I would have assumed that it would be the other way round. Normally BrE is more strict with the usage of grammar.

    Thanks.
    The subjunctive has been fading from English for a long time. The language has tended to change faster at home in Britain than in the other countries to which it has spread, so it's not surprising that the disappearance of the subjunctive is more advanced in Britain.
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    Re: insist

    Quote Originally Posted by irinaofr View Post
    Interesting....I would have assumed that it would be the other way round. Normally BrE is more strict with the usage of grammar..
    Where did you get that idea?

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    Re: insist

    Quote Originally Posted by irinaofr View Post
    Are you from the UK?

    Sure, so it is like with 'suggest'.
    Thanks.

    Yes, I am fromthe UK.
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    #9

    Re: insist

    I know that there are certain things (words, phrases) which are just American, but frown upon by Brits.
    I'll mention just a few:
    1) I'm loving it.
    2) the friquent use of 'get' instead of an appropriate word
    3) fix (instead of an appropriate word)
    4) wanna/gonna....

    Plenty actually. I am surprised that you asked
    Where are you from?
    Last edited by irinaofr; 13-Mar-2016 at 19:13.

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    #10

    Re: insist

    Brits certainly say gonna quite a lot. I'd guess they use it as often as Americans do. I wouldn't even be surprised to hear it coming from some of the younger members of the royal family, or even from Prince Charles.

    Wanna has somehow entered international English. I see it all the time in internet posts by non-native Anglophones. I can't help gritting my teeth each time I see it, though international English users certainly have the same right to use it as anyone else.

    I'm not sure about your other examples.
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