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  1. Boris Tatarenko's Avatar
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    if you knew that why did you take

    There's a dialogue:

    - How did you do in the car rally?

    - We came in last actually; but only because we got lost. If we had not got lost we would have come in somewhere in the middle. We certainly would have been last. I wasn't really surprised that we got lost because I knew that the navigator couldn't map-read.

    - But if you had known that why did you take him as navigator?

    In this exercise there're several gaps which I marked in bald. According to the keys everything is correct except for the very last sentence. My book says the correct answer is "knew".

    I'm quite confused. Could you explain it to me?

    Source: A Practical English Grammar Exercises 2. A. J Thomson, A. V. Martinet
    Last edited by Boris Tatarenko; 07-Apr-2016 at 19:12.
    Please, correct all my mistakes. I should know English perfectly and if you show me my mistakes I will achieve my dream a little bit faster. A lot of thanks.

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    #2

    Re: if you knew that why did you take

    What makes you think that "had known" is correct?
    “Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

    — Arthur Schopenhauer

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    #3

    Re: if you knew that why did you take

    While waiting for your answer to bhaisahab's question I'll just correct a couple of your mistakes.

    'We certainly would have been last' makes no logical sense. It must be, 'We certainly wouldn't have been last.'

    It's bold, not bald.
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    Re: if you knew that why did you take

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    What makes you think that "had known" is correct?

    From the very beginning he knew that that navigator couldn't map-read. Although he knew that, he took him as a navigator.

    They lost the race because of the navigator. I ask: "Why did you take him as a navigator if you had known (in the past. From the very beginning you knew that) that he couldn't map-read.

    Thank you, Roman55. It was just a typo.
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    Re: if you knew that why did you take

    'If you had known that ... ' would mean 'you' did not know that. The sentence reads, correctly 'If (= given that) you knew that ...'.

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    Re: if you knew that why did you take

    I see your point. In this case I'd say "know" instead of "knew" What's the difference?
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    #7

    Re: if you knew that why did you take

    You want simple past here. He knew they guy couldn't read maps, but he took him along as his navigator anyway. Similarly, the question should be:

    If you knew the guy couldn't read maps why did you take him along as your navigator?

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