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    comma usage(1 Thessalonians 2:13)

    1 Thessalonians 2:13
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    And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...salonians+2:13
    I feel that the comma in red is redundant. Am I right?
    Last edited by sitifan; 08-Apr-2016 at 10:19.
    I need native speakers' help.

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    Re: comma usage(1 Thessalonians 2:13)

    The whole thing is poorly written. It's a translation of a translation of a translation, all of them suspect.
    “Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

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    Re: comma usage(1 Thessalonians 2:13)

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    The whole thing is poorly written. It's a translation of a translation of a translation, all of them suspect.
    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/suspect?s=t
    What part of speech is suspect in the quotation?
    I need native speakers' help.

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    Re: comma usage(1 Thessalonians 2:13)

    Adjective 7: 'open to suspicion'.

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    Re: comma usage(1 Thessalonians 2:13)

    I just looked at many translations of this passage. They all set off the part that means "as it actually is" (or "as it truly is" or however they translated it) with commas.

    You can punctuate this a gazillion different ways.
    It means, essentially:
    You hear it from us.
    You believed it to be the word of God - as it truly is. You didn't believe it to be the words of men.
    We should thank God for your ability to believe that this is God's word and not man's word.

    No desire to discuss philosophy here, but you must realize that any Bible is a translation of a translation of a translation of a transcription of an oral history that was a repeated oral history that was a repeated oral history that was... etc.

    Since it's almost impossible to get any basic facts right after three or four people are involved, you should not worry too much about completely understanding it each aspect of every word. You're already many versions removed from the people who wrote it down the first time. No one has an original copy of Paul's letters.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: comma usage(1 Thessalonians 2:13)

    Nevertheless, the red comma, or some punctuation there, is necessary.
    "Accept it as it is - the Word of God."
    "Accept it as it is: the Word of God."
    "Accept it as it is the Word of God." This has a different meaning: "Accept it, as it is the Word of God."

    But I don't think the difference in meaning actually detracts much from the message.

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    Re: comma usage(1 Thessalonians 2:13)

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    I feel that the comma in red is redundant. Am I right?
    I don't think it's redundant, but think, like Raymott, that it is the wrong choice of punctuation.

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