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    The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    1. The woman that we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.
    2. The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    Are the above sentences acceptable?
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    #2

    Re: The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    Well, they're grammatical (although I would use "who", not "that") but they're a bit odd. Does it matter that you know that she definitely spoke at the meeting? A simpler version would be "The woman who spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable".
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 16-Apr-2016 at 18:26.
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    #3

    Re: The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    I think you are trying to pack too much into one sentence (in both cases). Perhaps:

    A woman we know spoke at the meeting. What she said demonstrated how knowledgeable she is.

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    Re: The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    3. Mrs. Hall is the woman who I believe commands the respect of music critics.
    4. Mrs. Hall is the woman I believe commands the respect of music critics.
    Are the above two sentences grammatical?
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    Re: The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    Before we move on to 3 and 4, do you have a response to my question about 1 and 2?
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    Re: The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Before we move on to 3 and 4, do you have a response to my question about 1 and 2?
    No, thanks a lot for your help.
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    Re: The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    No, thanks a lot for your help.
    Well, it was a waste of my time asking the question then, wasn't it? I won't bother again.
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    Re: The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    I don't know what you mean by "acceptable" here. I would think you would to learn how to use the language in real world contexts. That one is a sentence that was made up to be used on ESOL tests, and it shows. There is no real world context for it. You want to use sentences that are clear. You don't want people to have to ask you what they mean.

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    Re: The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    Mrs. Hall is the woman who I believe commands the respect of music critics.

    Can we omit who in the above sentence?
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    #10

    Re: The woman we know spoke at the meeting was very knowledgeable.

    None of these sentences have any context, do they? You do know, don't you, that a sentence without context has no meaning? And a sentence can be grammatical but be meaningless.

    Let's discuss sentences that have context and are thus meaningful.

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