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    Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

    Hello,

    The following is a part of a news, extracted from The Guardian. I'm asking what the differences among 'have frazzled', 'had frazzled' and 'frazzled' are in this text. I mean can I substitute two later ones for the last one?

    Instead of electrifying the organisation, California’s 7 June primary, a final and potentially decisive showdown between Trump and his GOP rivals Ted Cruz and John Kasich, appeared to frazzle it.
    In addition, I cannot understand the gist of the text. I would appreciate it if you would explain it what it try to say.

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    Re: Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

    To frazzle is an infinitive in your quotation. That's required after a linking verb. You can't substitute a conjugation for the infinitive.

    The text means:
    • The organization reacted to the impending California primary by becoming disorganized.
    • This primary election will be the last of many Republican (or "GOP") primaries.
    • This primary may decide who the party's nominee will be.
    • This primary is a battle between Trump and his opponents, Ted Cruz and John Kasich.


    The writer packed a lot into that sentence, as you can see by my explanation of it.
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    Re: Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

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    Hello,

    The following is a part of a news, extracted from The Guardian. I'm asking what the differences among 'have frazzled', 'had frazzled' and 'frazzled' are in this text. I mean can I substitute two later ones for the last one?



    In addition, I cannot understand the gist of the text. I would appreciate it if you would explain it what it try to say.

    Regards.
    I would have said: "appeared to have frazzled it."

    Have you looked up frazzle? It's sort of a mash-up of fray and swizzle ​and puzzle. Are there other words you're having trouble with, like electrifying or showdown?
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

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    I would have said: "appeared to have frazzled it."
    That would be appropriate after the primary. I don't think it works while that election is still in the future.
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    Re: Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

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    part of a news story

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    Re: Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

    Which organization was allegedly frazzled?

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    Re: Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    To frazzle is an infinitive in your quotation. That's required after a linking verb. You can't substitute a conjugation for the infinitive.
    I visited the link. It was useful, many thanks. would you please provide a link for me stating after a linking verb conjugation is not allowed?

    You know what, sometimes some texts are indigestible for me! This text is from that ilk.

    Why the author has not written "appears"?

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    Re: Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    I would have said: "appeared to have frazzled it."

    Have you looked up frazzle? It's sort of a mash-up of fray and swizzle ​and puzzle. Are there other words you're having trouble with, like electrifying or showdown?
    I've got no problem with the words that have been used in the text. My only problem is with that grammatical structure

    Why "appeared that had frazzled it" is not grammatical for using in the text?

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    Re: Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

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    Which organization was allegedly frazzled?
    Hollywood Conservative Group called Friends of ABE.

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    Re: Have frazzled vs. had frazzled vs. frazzled

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    I've got no problem with the words that have been used in the text. My only problem is with that grammatical structure.

    Why isn't "appeared to have frazzled it" grammatical for use in the text?
    As I've corrected it, the only problem is that it's too wordy. The original phrasing is more clear and concise and means the same thing.
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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