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    Question What does the dot represent here ?

    Hello everyone :)

    I want to ask about the first dot in the following sentence:

    "Football is seen as the most famous sports in the world by manny countries, like

    Japan, England, Brazil, etc. Pele is known as the most well-respected players in

    football history."

    What does the first dot represent in this sentence ?

    Does it represent the end of the first sentence ?

    Or is it related to "etc." ?

    Because I think that whenever there is an "etc." there should be a dot at the end of it.
    Last edited by The_Xtreme; 02-May-2016 at 21:59. Reason: Organizing the appearance of the topic

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    Re: What does the dot represent here ?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Xtreme View Post
    Hello everyone :)



    "Football is seen as the most famous sports in the world by manny countries, like

    Japan, England, Brazil, etc. Pele is known as the most well-respected players in

    football history."

    What does the first dot represent in this sentence ?

    Does it represent the end of the first sentence ?

    Or is it related to "etc." ?

    Because I think that whenever there is an "etc." there should be a dot at the end of it.
    The abbreviation etc. (et cetera = and others, used to say that the list is only partial) does require a period in American English. (I see a tendency in British English to use fewer and fewer periods/full stops with abbreviations, so it might not require one in BrE.)

    When "etc." ends a sentence, however, you don't need two periods.

    You seem to have a problem with plural nouns.

    Another point about "etc." - don't use if you use "including" -- including A, B, C, etc. "Including" already says that there are others, so there's no need for both "Including" and "etc."
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: What does the dot represent here ?

    It used to be standard to put a period at the end of any abbreviated word -Mr. (Mister), etc. (etcetera), U.S.A. (United States of America). Many people, especially in BrE no longer use these periods, but you still frequently see them.

    (Cross-posted with Barb)

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    Re: What does the dot represent here ?

    I'd be happy if people could just stop writing 'ect'.

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    Re: What does the dot represent here ?

    We read Internet addresses as domain dot com, and decimal numbers as (for example) three point one four one five two. For all other purposes, that mark is called a period in American English or a full stop​ in the British variety.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: What does the dot represent here ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I'd be happy if people could just stop writing 'ect'.
    AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHH! My eyes are bleeding!
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: What does the dot represent here ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I'd be happy if people could just stop writing 'ect'.
    I'd be happy if they stopped using "etc."!
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: What does the dot represent here ?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Xtreme View Post
    Hello everyone :)
    Please don't use a home-made emoticon to replace a standard punctuation mark. If you insist on using a smiley, click on the icon and choose one from those available.

    Elsewhere, please don't leave a space before a question mark.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 02-May-2016 at 22:40.

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    Re: What does the dot represent here ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    It used to be standard to put a period at the end of any abbreviated word -Mr. (Mister), etc. (etcetera), U.S.A. (United States of America). Many people, especially in BrE no longer use these periods, but you still frequently see them.
    I was taught that you didn't need the period after Mr because the abbreviation ended with the final letter of the word, so Mr but Prof. were correct, but this doesn't seem to hold true today either. We seem to use them less and less. To be honest, U.S.A. has started looking odd to me because I see the form without the periods so often.

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    Re: What does the dot represent here ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I'd be happy if people could just stop writing 'ect'.
    Would it make you any happier if we all used "et al."?
    Please be aware that I'm neither a native English speaker nor a teacher.

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