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    gone to/been to

    A says: John has to go to a specialist to have that mole examined.
    B replies:
    1) He has gone to a specialist and he said that it was nothing important.

    2) He has been to a specialist and he said that it was nothing important.


    A says: John has to go to the post office to get a passport.
    B replies:
    3) He has gone to the post office and has applied for one.
    4) He has been to the post office and has applied for one.

    A says:
    John has to go to Italy. He will love it.
    B replies:
    5) He has gone to Italy. He loved it. He brought back a lot of presents for his family.
    6) He has been to Italy. He loved it. He brought back a lot of presents for his family.

    Which of the sentences 1-6 work in the given contexts?

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    Last edited by navi tasan; 23-May-2016 at 12:27.

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    Re: gone to/been to

    If he has to go somewhere, then he has neither been nor gone there yet.
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    #3

    Re: gone to/been to

    Thank you very much, Piscean,

    My question was written very badly. I edited it. I hope things are clear now. My apologies.

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    #4

    Re: gone to/been to

    In each of your pairs, the person appears to have gone somewhere and returned. The 'been to' version is therefore the natural one.
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    Re: gone to/been to

    Thank you very much, Piscean,

    That was the point of the question. So, the 'gone' versions imply that he is still there?

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    #6

    Re: gone to/been to

    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    That was the point of the question. So, the 'gone' versions imply that he is still there?
    Generally, yes.

    This is why, except in the case of a note someone has left behind to explain why they are no longer in place Y 'I have gone to X' is rarely natural. If you have gone somewhere from place Y , you cannot say that you have gone there, because you are not in Place Y to say it.

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    #7

    Re: gone to/been to

    Try searching for similar titles. This has been discussed before many times at greater length. Your sentences 1 3 & 5 would all be possible only without the last clause.

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    B: Can I speak to John? - he's not in his office.
    A: Sorry, no. He's gone to see a specialist. He didn't say when he'd be back.

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