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    "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    "Scientists said that the wall paintings which were found in a cave in Southern America can be dated back 4000 years ago." (from my teacher's handout)

    Is it correct? If not, how should I revise it?

    Here are my revised versions:

    a. Scientists said that the wall paintings which were found in a cave in Southern America can be dated back 4000 years.
    b. Scientists said that the wall paintings which were found in a cave in Southern America can be dated back to 4000 years ago.
    c. Scientists said that the wall paintings which were found in a cave in Southern America can be dated to 4000 years ago.


    Are they all correct?

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    Re: "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    Only c. works for me.
    I would prefer "Scientists said that the wall paintings which were found in a cave in Southern America have been dated to 4000 years ago."
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    Re: "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    a) would work for me without "can be" and with "date" instead of "dated".

    Scientists say the cave paintings date back 4000 years.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    And what does "Southern America" mean?

    There's a continent called South America. The southern region of the U.S. is called the American South or, more commonly, the South. There's a southern North America and a southern South America. But nothing is called Southern America.

    The southern part of Africa is called southern Africa or Southern Africa, and its southern-most country is called South Africa. That might be the source of confusion.

    So if you want to revise something, start there!
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    Re: "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    I think it's probably a rewrite of a question about the cave paintings in France. I don't know of any native cave paintings among the Hopi.

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    Re: "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    Right. And that's not the South. It's the Southwest, about 1,500 miles father west.

    I read this week about a trove of cave paintings they just found in Spain. But I don't know of any in North OR South America.
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    Re: "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    My only qualm with any of the originals is that 'ago' is redundant in b). If you're going to use 'dated back', then 'ago' is redundant.

    Regarding the issue of rock art in the US - there are thousands of cave paintings throughout North and South America, along with petroglyphs (technically not paintings, I'll admit.)

    Some prime examples are the Chumash cave paintings in Southern California, the newly discovered Cumberland plateau cave paintings, northern Mexico, Sego Canyon in Utah, and yes, the Hopi rock paintings in Tawaa Canyon. The Ojibwe people were prolific rock artists throughout much of modern southern Canada and the northern US.

    The American Southwest is especially rich in native rock art, with enough examples to even start classifying by artistic style. Here are just a few basic sites to start exploring - they'll lead anybody interested to additional sources. Note there's plenty to be found all over the US, not just the SW.
    Singing desert
    Rock Art foundation

    Hopi rock art guide
    http://www.artsology.com/rockart.php

    Rock art of the southwest
    Rock art of the Mississippi Valley
    Rock art in Arkansas
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    Re: "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    And what does "Southern America" mean?

    There's a continent called South America. The southern region of the U.S. is called the American South or, more commonly, the South. There's a southern North America and a southern South America. But nothing is called Southern America.

    The southern part of Africa is called southern Africa or Southern Africa, and its southern-most country is called South Africa. That might be the source of confusion.

    So if you want to revise something, start there!
    We can say "southern Italy" or "southern Spain", but nothing is called Southern America. This makes me very confused. According to the Oxford Dictionary, the word "southern" means "located in the south or facing south; connected with or typical of the south part of the world or a region". So, I don't why we cannot say such a term as "southern or Southern America". However, according to Wiki, the Southern United States, commonly referred to as the American South, Dixie, or simply the South, is a region of the United States of America. It seems that it's OK to say the Southern United States. Wiki doesn't say "Southern America", so maybe it's really incorrect.

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    Re: "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    Quote Originally Posted by Skrej View Post
    My only qualm with any of the originals is that 'ago' is redundant in b). If you're going to use 'dated back', then 'ago' is redundant.
    Do you mean that this sentence without "ago" is correct? Or you mean that the other sentences are also correct expect the orgininal b with "ago"?

    "Scientists said that the wall paintings which were found in a cave in the America South can be dated back to 4000 years."

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    Re: "Scientists said that the wall paintings can be dated back 4000 years ago."

    I find that sentence incorrect without "ago".
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