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    before/ after + past simple/ past perfect

    Hello! Please, can you help me?
    I've got to fill in the gaps choosing between past simple and past perfect:
    We (not get) her a present before we (go) to her party.------> hadn't got / went
    He (get upset) after he (read) the news. ------> got upset/ had read
    Do you agree? I think that past simple would be acceptable in all cases, because "after" and "before" already specify what happens after or before something else.
    But in the following sentence from my English grammar:
    They were given help and advice before they made / had made (both acceptable according to my book) the decision
    I can't understand the use of the past perfect with before; I would say instead:
    They had been /were given help and advice before they made the decision.
    Thank you so much in advance!

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    Re: before/ after + past simple/ past perfect

    We (not get) her a present before we (go) to her party.------> hadn't got / went It's OK, but I think "didn't get" would work better here.
    He (get upset) after he (read) the news. ------> got upset/ had read OK.
    They were given help and advice before they made / had made the decision. I would use "made".
    They had been /were given help and advice before they made the decision. Either works.
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    Re: before/ after + past simple/ past perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    We (not get) her a present before we (go) to her party.------> hadn't got / went It's OK, but I think "didn't get" would work better here.
    He (get upset) after he (read) the news. ------> got upset/ had read OK.
    They were given help and advice before they made / had made the decision. I would use "made".
    They had been /were given help and advice before they made the decision. Either works.
    Thank you! But do you think that "They were given help and advice before they had made the decision" (as suggested by my grammar) sounds correct?

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    Re: before/ after + past simple/ past perfect

    No, it doesn't.
    “Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

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