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    ...our organisation have/has finally managed...

    After all, faith is all about fighting against devils and obstacles without stopping. We cannot afford to loosen up, or else we will become the envoy of the devils who have entered the world of pleasure, and disturb the shakubuku spirit that our organisation have/has finally managed to establish after going through all hardships. Therefore, we should be especially careful about it, and examine our own faith, day and night.

    In British English, should it be has or have in this context?

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    Re: ...our organisation have/has finally managed...

    It should be 'has' in any variety of English.

    You have not named the source of the text.

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    #3

    Re: ...our organisation have/has finally managed...

    Thanks, Rover.

    It is from a Nichiren Shu Buddhist magazine.

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    Re: ...our organisation have/has finally managed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    It should be 'has' in any variety of English.

    You have not named the source of the text.
    A friend of mine told me that "organisation" is a collective noun and added that in British English a plural verb is acceptable. It surprises me. Was she pulling my leg?

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    Re: ...our organisation have/has finally managed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tan Elaine View Post
    A friend of mine told me that "organisation" is a collective noun and added that in British English a plural verb is acceptable. It surprises me. Was she pulling my leg?
    And I've heard several (American) teachers say that, for groups of people, plural verbs are REQUIRED in British English, as in the army are advancing, the band were taking a break, the class of 2016 have taken their final exams.

    No?
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: ...our organisation have/has finally managed...

    No. Such a sweeping statement is absurd. Nobody requires us to do anything.

    Who's supposed to be doing the requiring, and making a 'rule' for every possible case in every conceivable context?
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    Re: ...our organisation have/has finally managed...

    Thanks, Rover.

    From your reply, it means "has" should be used, whether it is British English, American English or any other variety of English.

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    Re: ...our organisation have/has finally managed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    No. Such a sweeping statement is absurd. Nobody requires us to do anything.

    Who's supposed to be doing the requiring, and making a 'rule' for every possible case in every conceivable context?
    You're right, of course. Thanks! All I meant was that I understood the plural form is generally considered to be good British grammar, while in American grammar, it would be singular unless the noun is plural: The Beatles are . . . .


    Now that we've clarified that, I'm still left wondering which is grammatical in British English.

    By the way, I was at the library today and ordered a copy of Cambridge Grammar of English - which I know is smaller than Cambridge Grammar of the English Language, but it's all they could find for me. There are a few things I want to look up!
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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