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    should have undergone

    Mentors are persons who have a vast breadth and depth of experience in the field that they train .
    Mentors have had both experience and professional training in the subject that they have to mentor
    For instance, leadership mentors need to have adequate experience as leaders and should have
    undergone leadership training themselves.

    Can "should have pp" be used as presumption of the past instead of regret like this?
    should have undergone leadership training themselves.

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    Re: should have undergone

    It doesn't express regret in that passage.
    “Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

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    Re: should have undergone

    Yes, should have + past participle can cast an idea into the past.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: should have undergone

    This is often seen in university subject lists: "Students should have passed XYZ100 before enrolling for XYZ101."
    This has a different meaning from "I'm not coping with XYZ101. I should have done XYZ100 first."

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    Re: should have undergone

    So does the example mean obligation or presumption?

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    Re: should have undergone

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    So does the example mean obligation or presumption?
    I could read it either way: those people offering to serve as mentors are presumed to have had the training or are required to have had it.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: should have undergone

    I'd call it 'obligation' in your scheme of obligation vs. presumption.
    In you scheme of presumption of the past vs. regret, I'd call it presumption of the past.

    Neither is a good contrast. The teachers presume that you will have done XYZ100 before XYZ101. You are not coping with XYZ101, so you presume that you should have done XYZ100 first. So 'presumption' shouldn't be a category.

    In any case, there's nothing in your original passage to indicate that it's talking about specific mentors who should have undergone leadership training but didn't. That they should have done it before mentoring is a strong recommendation, not a judgement after the event.

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