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    #1

    usage of "and so on"

    I think Japanese people have a tendency to say "and so on" so often when they speak English.
    e.g.) I like chocolate, cookies, and so on.

    But I feel "and so on" is more used in writing English.

    I feel native speakers would say "and everything" and “something like that", instead.
    Is it OK to use "and so on" in every day conversation?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Re: usage of "and so on"

    'And so on' does appear to be over-used by some learners. I noticed this when I was teaching in China. In that particular example, I think 'and things like that' would be more natural.

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    #3

    Re: usage of "and so on"

    A Japanese speaker suggested to me that it was a form of strategic ambiguity, and said she used it a lot in English and Japanese as a catch-all in case things were missing.

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    Re: usage of "and so on"

    Yes, and so on is used frequently in conversation, at least in AmE. I would not use it in your example sentence though.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: usage of "and so on"

    Quote Originally Posted by popri View Post
    I think Japanese people have a tendency to say "and so on" too often when they speak English.
    (e.g. I like chocolate, cookies, and so on.)

    But I feel "and so on" is more used in written English. Could be.

    I feel native speakers would say "and everything" [yes] and “something like that" [no], instead.
    Is it OK to use "and so on" in everyday conversation? Yes. It's fine.

    Thank you [Don't say "in advance." It's obviously in advance!].
    Much more tragic are the rampant use of the faux-erudite "et cetera" and the knuckle-dragging "and stuff like that." Avoid them at all costs.

    Now look up the difference between "every day" and "everyday." They have very different meanings.
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: usage of "and so on"

    Dear GoesStation:

    Thank you for writing me.
    You said that you would not use the phrase in my example sentence.
    Could you please tell me some examples, then?
    Last edited by popri; 12-Jun-2016 at 01:17. Reason: mistakes

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    Re: usage of "and so on"

    Quote Originally Posted by popri View Post
    Dear GoesStation:

    Thank you for writing me.
    You said that you would not use the phrase in my example sentence.
    Could you please tell me some examples, then?
    You could say something like "I like chocolate, cookies, and all kinds of sweets."
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: usage of "and so on"

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    the faux-erudite "et cetera"
    It may be over-used, but I don't see anything faux erudite about it. I imagine that most peopLe who use it consider it to be a natural English expression.

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    Re: usage of "and so on"

    Thanks to all of you.
    I think I understand now.
    By the way, what's nuckle-dragging?
    I couldn't find it in the dictionary.

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    Re: usage of "and so on"

    Try looking up knuckle-dragging here.

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