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    #11

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    If he had won the cup after he played the match, I'd have been happy with him.
    After he played the match, if he had won the cup, I'd have been happy with him.
    thanks for replying, Matthew
    you now changed the past perfect after "after" into past simple, then paraphrased the sentence .That is somewhat convincing but I want the original sentence with the past perfect after "after " .Will using the past perfect after "after " change the meaning ?

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    #12

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Man of manners, please edit your posts so that every sentence starts with a capital letter and remove the spaces before full stops and question marks. There should be a space after every full stop and question mark.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #13

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Matthew and I have both said that you can use either the past perfect or the past simple because 'after' establishes the sequence of events. There is no difference in meaning.
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 19-Jul-2016 at 10:54. Reason: Fixed typo

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    #14

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    The past perfect for an irrealis past situation.
    But this broke the rule of "after" because the first action always comes after it not before it. This choice made the sentence wrong.
    Why don't we consider "The past perfect for an irrealis past situation" is what follows "after " -not what comes before it- and we know that "after "and its subordinate and main clause are part of the if-clause?
    Last edited by man of manners; 19-Jul-2016 at 13:06. Reason: punctuation

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    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    The sentence is not wrong. The time clause (beginning with 'after' is irrelevant to the conditional sentence), as Raymott tod you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    Matthew and I have both said that you can use either the past perfect or the past simple because 'after' establishes the sequence of events. There is no difference in meaning.
    I totally agree with you both concerning this point but what confuses me is that what tense we can use in the if-clause not to change the sequence of tenses with "after" and use the correct tense in the if-clause at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    The sentence is not wrong. The time clause (beginning with 'after' is irrelevant to the conditional sentence), as Raymott tod you
    why is it irrelevant? Isn't it part of the if-clause?
    Last edited by man of manners; 19-Jul-2016 at 13:09. Reason: punctuation

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    #18

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    Forget the 'after clause when you consider the tenses in the conditional sentence.

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    A SIMPLE QUESTION

    Why don't we consider "The past perfect for an irrealis past situation" is what follows "after " -not what comes before it- and we know that "after "and its subordinate and main clause are part of the if-clause?
    Last edited by man of manners; 19-Jul-2016 at 13:10. Reason: punctuation

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    #20

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    I have nothing to add to what I have already said.

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