Page 3 of 19 First 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... Last
Results 21 to 30 of 187
  1. Matthew Wai's Avatar
    VIP Member
    Interested in Language
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong

    • Join Date: Nov 2013
    • Posts: 8,326
    #21

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by man of manners View Post
    why is it irrelevant ? isn't it part of the if-clause?
    Perhaps the following goes to show that it is not part of the if-clause.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    After he played the match, if he had won the cup, I'd have been happy with him.
    I am not a teacher.

  2. man of manners's Avatar
    Member
    Interested in Language
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Arabic
      • Home Country:
      • Egypt
      • Current Location:
      • Egypt

    • Join Date: Jul 2016
    • Posts: 354
    #22

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    I have nothing to add to what I have already said.
    Why is that?
    What has happened? We are discussing.
    I asked you the question above but you didn't answer.
    Last edited by man of manners; 19-Jul-2016 at 13:11. Reason: punctuation

  3. man of manners's Avatar
    Member
    Interested in Language
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Arabic
      • Home Country:
      • Egypt
      • Current Location:
      • Egypt

    • Join Date: Jul 2016
    • Posts: 354
    #23

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Matthew, I'm convinced but still confused.
    can you answer this?
    "Why don't we consider "The past perfect for an irrealis past situation" is what follows "after " -not what comes before it- and we know that "after "and its subordinate and main clause are part of the if-clause?"
    Last edited by man of manners; 19-Jul-2016 at 13:11. Reason: punctuation

  4. Matthew Wai's Avatar
    VIP Member
    Interested in Language
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong

    • Join Date: Nov 2013
    • Posts: 8,326
    #24

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    The after-clause is not part of the if-clause because the former is a real past situation and the latter is an unreal one.
    Do you know the difference between 'real' and 'unreal'?
    I am not a teacher.

  5. man of manners's Avatar
    Member
    Interested in Language
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Arabic
      • Home Country:
      • Egypt
      • Current Location:
      • Egypt

    • Join Date: Jul 2016
    • Posts: 354
    #25

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    The after-clause is not part of the if-clause because the former is a real past situation and the latter is an unreal one.
    Do you know the difference between 'real' and 'unreal'?
    I do know, Matthew but this is an opinion. Why didn't you answer my question above?
    Last edited by man of manners; 19-Jul-2016 at 13:13. Reason: punctuation

  6. Matthew Wai's Avatar
    VIP Member
    Interested in Language
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong

    • Join Date: Nov 2013
    • Posts: 8,326
    #26

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by man of manners View Post
    "Why don't we consider "The past perfect for an irrealis past situation" is what follows "after " -not what comes before it
    Because the after-clause refers to a real past situation. 'He had played the match' is a real event.

    Quote Originally Posted by man of manners View Post
    we know that "after "and its subordinate and main clause are part of the if-clause .?"
    If I have correctly understood Piscean's post#14, neither the after-clause nor the main clause is part of the if-clause.
    I am not a teacher.

  7. VIP Member
    Retired English Teacher
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • Europe
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic

    • Join Date: Jul 2015
    • Posts: 16,656
    #27

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by man of manners View Post
    I do know, Matthew but this is an opinion .why didn't you answer my question above?
    Please read what emsr2d2 said in post 12, and then edit this post.

  8. man of manners's Avatar
    Member
    Interested in Language
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Arabic
      • Home Country:
      • Egypt
      • Current Location:
      • Egypt

    • Join Date: Jul 2016
    • Posts: 354
    #28

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Because the after-clause refers to a real past situation. 'He had played the match' is a real event.

    Perfect, Matthew. I now understand.
    Now, I have one thing confusing me.
    You think "after he had played" is irrelevant and can be omitted to apply the sequence of the third conditional.
    then can you use "before" instead of "after" in this sentence?
    Last edited by man of manners; 19-Jul-2016 at 12:53.

  9. Matthew Wai's Avatar
    VIP Member
    Interested in Language
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong

    • Join Date: Nov 2013
    • Posts: 8,326
    #29

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    How could he have won the cup before he played the match? Killed his opponent?
    I am not a teacher.

  10. man of manners's Avatar
    Member
    Interested in Language
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Arabic
      • Home Country:
      • Egypt
      • Current Location:
      • Egypt

    • Join Date: Jul 2016
    • Posts: 354
    #30

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    I meant instead of "after" in the following sentence:
    "if he had won the cup after he had played the match, I'd have been happy with him"

Page 3 of 19 First 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... Last

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •