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    #41

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    'He won the match' is a fact, and 'he had played well' is the opposite of the fact.
    'He had played the match' is a fact, and 'he had won the cup' is the opposite of the fact.
    Perfect, Matthew. That's exactly what I tried to tell Piscean, but he is not convinced yet.

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    #42

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by man of manners View Post
    Why do you think so?
    Can you explain this?
    He did win, but for some reason you would have been happier if he had played well before the match he won. If you were his coach and thought he played badly in the semi-final, it might make sense.

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    #43

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    He did win, but for some reason you would have been happier if he had played well before the match he won. If you were his coach and thought he played badly in the semi-final, it might make sense.
    That's a very good opinion, indeed and from which we can now be sure that the meaning will differ if we use "before" instead of "after" although we have used the same sentences but with a new order.

    Thanks for this additional information.
    If you have any other opinion, share it with us, please.

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    #44

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by man of manners View Post
    Thanks for this explanation.
    But you didn't mention anything about "after he had played the match". Are you avoiding it? Are you avoiding giving your opinion about such a sensitive point?
    I've given you my opinion in post #3 on the first page. That's hardly avoiding it.

    PS: And why on earth do you call yourself "man of manners"?

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    #45

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

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    I've given you my opinion in post #3 on the first page. That's hardly avoiding it.

    PS: And why on earth do you call yourself "man of manners"?
    Why do you ask? Don't you like it? It means I am respectful and I have proven that. I have not said a bad word or shown any impoliteness. All I said to you was because of doubt.

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    #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by man of manners View Post
    Why do you ask? Don't you like it? It means I am respectful and I have proven that. I have not said a bad word or shown any impoliteness. All I said to you was because of doubt.
    Well, you're going to have to think of another way to present your problem, because I think everyone here has told you the answer.
    Do you think some rule of grammar is being broken? If so, what is the rule? Maybe you could write a few sentences and say which ones you think are wrong and why. But persisting in asking 'What about "after he had played the match?"' doesn't seem to be getting the answer you want.
    Or you could tell us the answer that you do want, and we can tell you whether it's legitimate or not. Otherwise, I don't see this going anywhere.

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    #47

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Do you think some rule of grammar is being broken? If so, what is the rule? Maybe you could write a few sentences and say which ones you think are wrong and why. But persisting in asking 'What about "after he had played the match?"' doesn't seem to be getting the answer you want.
    Or you could tell us the answer that you do want, and we can tell you whether it's legitimate or not. Otherwise, I don't see this going anywhere.
    Thanks for your reply.
    I have already understood every single piece of information we talked about here and to be honest, I got really interesting information by asking my question here and I am now investigating some information through googling and it seems to be promising. After I have already finished, I'll present some very useful examples, of how this kind of sentence works, taken from Google and I am sure we all will benefit. In brief, you have corrected me and I am grateful to every single person of you.
    I will still open this thread so that I may find new or interesting opinions or information.

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    #48

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    I prefer to discuss further till I finish.
    In general, Can we say a sentence like that? "He had broken into our house after we all had gone to bed"

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    #49

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    I would use 'broke' and 'went' instead of 'had broken' and 'had gone' respectively.
    I am not a teacher.

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    #50

    Re: a very confusing sentence concerning the third conditional of "if"

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    I would use 'broke' and 'went' instead of 'had broken' and 'had gone' respectively.
    OK, but what do you feel about this sentence? Do you find it odd, strange, informal, formal or what exactly?
    Tell me about your impression of it as a native speaker of English or a good speaker/learner of English.
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