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    Korean War, Vietnam War

    Korean War, Vietnam War.
    Korean is an adjective, and its noun form is Korea.
    Vietnam is a noun, and its adjective form is Vietnamese.

    Why not say Korea War or Vietnamese War?
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    Re: Korean War, Vietnam War

    That's an interesting observation. The Vietnam War is an outlier. Usually, wars are named with the demonyms of one or more of the belligerent states or territories involved: the French and Indian War, the Crimean War, the Franco-Prussian War, etc. I can't think of another conflict named like the Vietnam War.
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    Re: Korean War, Vietnam War

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    That's an interesting observation. The Vietnam War is an outlier. Usually, wars are named with the demonyms of one or more of the belligerent states or territories involved: the French and Indian War, the Crimean War, the Franco-Prussian War, etc. I can't think of another conflict named like the Vietnam War.
    Do you always insert "the" before the word "war"?
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    Re: Korean War, Vietnam War

    I think 'the' is needed when referring to a particular war, e.g. the First/Second World War.
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    Re: Korean War, Vietnam War

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    Hello, Sitifan:


    May I share my Google research?

    1. Some people did refer to the conflict as the "Vietnamese" War / war.

    2. Gradually, the accepted term became the "Vietnam" War.

    a. One journalist guesses that one reason is that "Vietnam" is shorter than "Vietnamese." (Newspapers are always looking for ways to save space.)

    3. The Vietnamese even today reportedly refer to the conflict as the "American War."

    4. "It appears that a frequently used phrase in the literature [books about the War] is 'Vietnamese War' ... a cursory examination or reflection reveals, however, that the adjective 'Vietnamese' is a poor and misleading description of the phenomenon under discussion."

    a. This comes from Reference Quarterly -- Volumes 6-8 (1966) in the "books" section of Google. Sadly, those are the ONLY words that we can read.

    5. Here are some comments that may lead us a little closer to understanding why it is more accurate to describe this particular war as the "Vietnam" War rather than the "Vietnamese" War. First, we have to remember the definition of "metonymy." For example, the word "suits" may refer to "business executives" (because they traditionally wear suits).

    "It was while I was casting about for texts by what we then called Vietnam authors [American authors who were writing about the war in Vietnam] -- making the easy metonymy, as most of us did in those days, of 'Vietnam' as a generic adjective [my emphasis] for a fundamentally American experience [my emphasis] -- that ...."

    -- Philip D. Beidler, Late Thoughts on an Old War (2010), courtesy of Google "books."
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    Re: Korean War, Vietnam War

    We say British/American/Australian/Canadian English, but we seldom say Singaporean English. Instead, people normally say Singapore(noun) English. Why?
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    Re: Korean War, Vietnam War

    It is Singaporean English, abbreviated to "Singlish".
    It is similar to Malaysian English or "Manglish".
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    Re: Korean War, Vietnam War

    Google results
    Singapore English 1,510,000
    Singaporean English 35,400
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    Re: Korean War, Vietnam War

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    Instead, people normally say Singapore(noun) English. Why?


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    "Another variant to the name 'Singapore English' is to call it 'Singaporean English.' The difference has been explained in the following way. If you regard Singapore as a city [my emphasis], you are more likely to use 'Singapore English,' whereas if you regard it as ...."

    (Sadly, we are allowed to read only that "snippet." We readers will have to finish that sentence ourselves.)

    -- Adam Brown, Making Sense of Singapore English (1992). Courtesy of Google "books."
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    Re: Korean War, Vietnam War

    The difference has been explained in the following way. If you regard Singapore as a city, you are more likely to use Singapore English, whereas if you regard it as a country, Singaporean English is more likely. The problem, of course, is that ...
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