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    Have got to VS Have to

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    Why can't we use "have got to" in past or future forms? Why can we not say "He hates to have got to work for him" for example?
    Can "have got to" be used in negative forms?

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    Re: Have got to VS Have to

    Quote Originally Posted by man of manners View Post
    Why can't we use "have got to" in past or future forms?
    As 'have got' is technically a present perfect form of the verb GET, it cannot have an infinitive form.

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    Re: Have got to VS Have to

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    As 'have got' is technically a present perfect form of the verb GET, it cannot have an infinitive form.
    But as far as I know, there is a perfect infinitive [have + P.P] which can replace the past and present perfect.
    So why can it not have an infinitive form?
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    Re: Have got to VS Have to

    Possibly because our automatic thought when we see or hear 'to have got' is that it is the perfect infinitive of GET rather than the infinitive of HAVE GOT (= HAVE).
    Last edited by Piscean; 19-Aug-2016 at 13:58. Reason: typo

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    Re: Have got to VS Have to

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    Possibly because our automatic though when we see or hear 'to have got' is that it is the perfect infinitive of GET rather than the infinitive of HAVE GOT (= HAVE).
    I see no difference between the perfect infinitive of GET and the infinitive of HAVE GOT , indeed. Is there a good grammatical reason? "If you cannot think of any, I think I have some."
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    Re: Have got to VS Have to

    Quote Originally Posted by man of manners View Post
    I see no difference between the perfect infinitive of GET and the infinitive of HAVE GOT
    The main difference is that we use (to) have, not (to) have got, as the infinitive of the informal alternative to HAVE.
    indeed. Is there a good grammatical reason?
    There is sometimes no sound grammatical reason for some of the things that do not do.
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    Re: Have got to VS Have to

    "I think that "have got (to) cannot be used as an infinitive because it is not the present perfect of "get" except in form but it is present simple in the meaning so if we feel obliged to/we want to use an infinitive, we ,this time, use it according to the meaning not the form because we use the form to give a meaning which will utterly change if we use "to have got (to)". Since "have + P.P" is not present simple so we use "have (to)" instead to give the meaning intended"
    What do you think of it?
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    Re: Have got to VS Have to

    Isn't that more or less what I said in my earlier posts, rather more simply?

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    Re: Have got to VS Have to

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    Isn't that more or less what I said in my earlier posts, rather more simply?
    You did not mention the point of "meaning". Also, I knew this before I asked but I intended to ask then give my opinion.
    Now ,let's proceed to discuss the other part of the question:
    Can "have got (to)" be used in the past tense as "had got (to)" or in the negative forms?
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    Re: Have got to VS Have to

    Yes.

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