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    I then made it a point of honor to have written something...

    Hi,
    I came across a sentence "I then made it a point of honor to have written something for each of the magazines I had listed to get that first job"

    The context is that a writer wanted to apply for a job and lied to his employer by listing a bunch of magazines he hadn't really worked for so now he wanted to make up for it by writing for those magazines in the future.

    I'm just wondering how you can use the Present perfect "Have written" in this sentence: I know that present perfect refers to some time between the past and the present or some past experience (no specific time given), so I was wondering Is this like saying "I would like to have done my homework by noon" So It's in the future, yet Present perfect? This part confuses me.

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    #2

    Re: A sentence with present perfect confuses me.

    The verb is to have written, which is a perfect infinitive. It's not an example of the present perfect.
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    #3

    Re: A sentence with present perfect confuses me.

    It's not present perfect; it's perfect infinitive. In the right contexts, it can be used for a situation relevant to a later situation in past, general, present, future or hypothetical time.
    Last edited by Piscean; 29-Aug-2016 at 18:46.

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    #4

    Re: A sentence with present perfect confuses me.

    I think 'to have written something' denotes that the writing happened before 'made it a point of honor'.
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    #5

    Re: A sentence with present perfect confuses me.

    They are not the same thing.

    In your future posts, it will be very helpful if you would number your examples. I will do it for you this time.

    Present Perfect is a form that talks about a past action with a present connection.

    #1 talks about a past reality: "I made it a point..." It projects the effect into a present even though that 'present' is in our past.

    #2 talks about a not yet realized future: "I would..." This statement hopes for a possibility which would be past in a hypothetical future. It is not (yet) real, but the writer hopes it will be so.

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    Re: A sentence with present perfect confuses me.

    I'd use to write there.

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    Re: I then made it a point of honor to have written something...

    Please note that I have changed your thread title.

    Extract from the Posting Guidelines:'Thread titles should include all or part of the word/phrase being discussed.'


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    Re: I then made it a point of honor to have written something...

    Thank you for the feedback and corrections.
    I will make sure to write a better thread title that included the phrase being discussed.


    So let's see if i understand the perfect infinitive in the following sentences:


    1. "I would like to have written something for the magazines I had listed" --> So It's something I would like (now) that I had done in the past.
    2. "I then made it a point of honor to have written something for the magazines I had listed" --> So at a point in the past It was important for his honor to have written something for the magazines that he had not yet written for at that point in time (So from that point on he would probably do it) Is that correctly understood?

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    #9

    Re: I then made it a point of honor to have written something...

    I think you do understand it correctly. Although he hadn't written for those magazines yet, he did his best to make sure he would write for them as soon as possible.

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    Re: I then made it a point of honor to have written something...

    Quote Originally Posted by chr0710 View Post
    So at a point in the past It was important for his honor to have written something for the magazines that he had not yet written for at that point in time (So from that point on he would probably do it) Is that correctly understood?
    Then implies he hadn't written for them at that time, so the perfect infinitive doesn't make sense to me. The writing would come after the decision, so there is no reason to use the perfect infinitive, which implies completion. It is a straight future in the past for me. The word then cries out for to write IMO. You have the idea and the sense of time and sequence, but to have written does not fit with what you, and I, are seeing as the events/sequence.

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