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    miracle to win this game/miracle if we won this game?

    Hello all.

    A native speaker from America told me that he would perfer:

    It would be a miracle if we won this game.

    NOT: It would be a miracle to win this game. He wouldnīt not say this sentence (using an infinitive form) especially when the game were going on. He says it would not sound correct to him. He might say: It would be a miracle to win 10 games in a row.

    Would you agree with him? Honestly, I found it a bit strange way to explain things.

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    Re: miracle to win this game/miracle if we won this game?

    I agree with him. Certainly in BrE, we tend to use "It would be a miracle if ...". While the game is going on, I would say "It will be a miracle if we win this game".

    For the later example, I would say "Winning ten games in a row would be a miracle".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: miracle to win this game/miracle if we won this game?

    You can say It would take a miracle to win this game.
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    Re: miracle to win this game/miracle if we won this game?

    This is very interesting.

    Is it because this is how the word "miracle" works in those kind of sentences?


    I am asking because as far as I know I could perfectly say sentences like:

    - It would be great to meet (you) again.
    - It would be nice of you to send me a message.

    Both sentences I could rewrite using conditional - but not necessarily. I thought the same worked for the "miracle" sentences. Would it be such a big mistake to say "It would be a miracle to win this game/set. (when the match or whatever would be going-on) ?



    GoesStation: Thank you for another example.

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    Re: miracle to win this game/miracle if we won this game?

    In it would be great and it would be nice, the modifiers are adverbs. "A miracle" is a noun. We don't have an adverb form to replace it with, so we have to phrase the idea differently.
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    Re: miracle to win this game/miracle if we won this game?

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    In it would be great and it would be nice, the modifiers are adverbs. "A miracle" is a noun. We don't have an adverb form to replace it with, so we have to phrase the idea differently.

    But in your another example " You can say It would take a miracle to win this game." here a "a miracle" is a noun as well as in my original sentence and can be followed by an infinitive. I have always thought that if there is a word which is followed by an infinitive - it is always that and e.g. conditional would be just another option to say almost the same.

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    Re: miracle to win this game/miracle if we won this game?

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    In it would be great and it would be nice, the modifiers are adverbs.
    I would say that they are adjectives coming after a copula verb. We do have an adjective, miraculous, and an adverb, miraculously. I can't see anything wrong grammatically with saying It would be miraculous to see you again, though I can't think of a context when I would use it.

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