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    #1

    get should not be used in the present perfect passive,

    Here's an extract from Advanced Language Practice (a grammar book by Micail Vince and Peter Sunderland):

    Get is more likely to be used than have when:
    i) there is a feeling that something must be done: I really must get (have) my hair cut.
    ii) there is a feeling of eventually managing to do something: I eventually got (had) the car fixed at the Fast Service garage.
    iii) in orders and imperatives: Get your hair cut!

    Note that get should not be used in the present perfect passive, where it would be confused with have got.

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    I don't understand what they mean by 'get should not be used in the present perfect passive' and how it can be confused with have got. Could you please clarify it for me a little?
    Last edited by englishhobby; 03-Sep-2016 at 19:22.
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    #2

    Re: get should not be used in the present perfect passive,

    Hello, englishhobby.

    1. He was shot in the head.
    2. He got shot in the head.
    3. He has been shot in the head.
    4. He has got shot in the head.

    I'm sure you'll agree with me that #1, 2 and 3 are O.K.

    My guess is that they mean the sentence like #4 should not be used.


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    #3

    Re: get should not be used in the present perfect passive,

    "He has got shot in his head" could mean that he was once shot in the head with a shotgun, but the lead shot could not be removed. Hence, it's still there, and he has got shot in his head.

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    #4

    Re: get should not be used in the present perfect passive,

    The example with shooting may be not the best one to demonstrate how you can't use the present perfect passive with 'get'. What about the one with having one's hair cut? Do they mean that 'His hair has got (gotten) cut' is incorrect?
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    #5

    Re: get should not be used in the present perfect passive,

    Quote Originally Posted by englishhobby View Post
    The example with shooting may be not the best one to demonstrate how you can't use the present perfect passive with 'get'. What about the one with having one's hair cut? Do they mean that 'His hair has got (gotten) cut' is incorrect?
    AmE doesn't have the ambiguity risk the grammar book warned about. While I can't imagine anyone ever using the American version of that sentence, I think others may be possible with the present perfect passive to have gotten verbed.
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    #6

    Re: get should not be used in the present perfect passive,

    Quote Originally Posted by englishhobby View Post
    Note that get should not be used in the present perfect passive, where it would be confused with have got.
    Are you sure that the comma (in red) is in the original? Without the comma, it's a good rule.

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    #7

    Re: get should not be used in the present perfect passive,

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Are you sure that the comma (in red) is in the original? Without the comma, it's a good rule.
    I am not sure, maybe I added it instinctively as I was typing (because in my language therte should be a comma here).
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    #8

    Re: get should not be used in the present perfect passive,

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Hello, englishhobby.

    1. He was shot in the head.
    2. He got shot in the head.
    3. He has been shot in the head.
    4. He has got shot in the head.

    I'm sure you'll agree with me that #1, 2 and 3 are O.K.

    My guess is that they mean the sentence like #4 should not be used.

    Thank you, tzfujimino, but why such a negative examlple? Let's come up with something more positive like:
    1. I was rescued from death.
    2. I got rescued from death.
    3. I have been rescued from death.
    4. I have got rescued from death.

    As far as I understand, #4 seems unnatural in BrE and possible in AmE. Or am I wrong?
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    #9

    Re: get should not be used in the present perfect passive,

    #4 would use the past participle gotten in AmE. Therefore, it could not be misunderstood to mean "I have (the book) 'Rescued from Death'." On the other hand, I have gotten rescued from death would be nonsensical.
    Last edited by GoesStation; 08-Sep-2016 at 04:47.
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