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    are concerned

    Hi,


    I just can't figure out the meaning of the sentence below. what does " are concerned" mean here?


    Could anyone please clarify it for me?


    In addition to these, all employees are obliged to refrain from unlawful or offensive behavior against the company where its finances, products, partnerships or public image are concerned.

    You can find the source here.

    Thanks

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    Re: are concerned

    It doesn't mean what it sounds like. Those things aren't really 'concerned', but you'll see sentences like this.
    It means "In addition to these, all employees are obliged to refrain from unlawful or offensive behavior against the company's finances, products, partnerships or public image.
    It means something like "in regard to its finances ...".


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    Re: are concerned

    In this case, "are concerned" means "could be adversely affected".

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    Re: are concerned

    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaDan View Post
    In this case, "are concerned" means "could be adversely affected".
    Not really. As Raymott said, 'are concerned' means something like 'in regard to. The expression itself contains no idea of adverse affects.

    Prague is a great place to live as far as accommodation, eating out and public transport are concerned.
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    Re: are concerned

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    Not really. As Raymott said, 'are concerned' means something like 'in regard to. The expression itself contaiins no idea of adverse affects.

    Prague is a great place to live as far as accommodation, eating out and public transport are concerned.
    I disagree. Your example sentence contains no negative indications, while the OP's sentence certainly does:
    ...unlawful or offensive behavior against the company...
    This part makes it abundantly clear that the concern of the company is that adverse effects could result from the named behaviors of its employees.

    On another note, yes, I hear Prague is quite lovely. I hope to visit it this winter.

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    Re: are concerned

    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaDan View Post
    This part makes it abundantly clear that the concern of the company is that adverse effects could result from the named behaviors of its employees.
    The expression has nothing to do with anybody being concerned.


    concerned adjective (INVOLVED)

    C2
    [ after verb ] involved in something or affected by it:
    I'd like to thank everyone concerned for making the occasion run so smoothly.
    It was quite a shock for all/everyone concerned.
    Her job is something concerned with computers.
    I'm not very good where money is concerned (= when dealing with money).

    as far as sb is concerned
    B2
    in a particular person's opinion:
    As far as I'm concerned, feng shui doesn't work.



    as far as sth is concerned
    B2
    if we are discussing or thinking about a particular thing:
    As far as unemployment's concerned, a change of policy on job creation
    would be a good idea.

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...rned?a=british





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    Re: are concerned

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    The expression has nothing to so with anybody being concerned.


    concerned adjective (INVOLVED)
    <<snip>>
    You are literally correct. Too literal, I think. The statement is:

    In addition to these, all employees are obliged to refrain from unlawful or offensive behavior against the company where its finances, products, partnerships or public image are concerned.
    In other words, the company prohibits its employees from committing unlawful or offensive against it if it might; cost the company money; interfere with the making, distribution, marketing etc of its products; damage its relationships with its partnerships; or tarnish its public image.

    In other words, don't do those bad things where they might have bad effects on the things we care about most; money, products, partnerships, and public image. Or, don't do bad stuff that may have adverse effects on the things we care about.

    You are getting stuck on the grammar; the trees. I'm focused on the communication; "what is the intended message?". That is more important than prescriptive rules.

    If you take the OP post, and replace "are concerned" with "could be adversely affected", the meaning of the message is the same. Therefore, in this specific context, one means the other. The intent is preserved, the message received, the communication was successful.

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    Re: are concerned

    The point is that the words do not mean what you say what they mean.

    Raymott and I have explained what they mean generally, including in sepmre's sentence.

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    Re: are concerned

    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaDan View Post
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    If you take the OP post, and replace "are concerned" with "could be adversely affected", the meaning of the message is the same. Therefore, in this specific context, one means the other. The intent is preserved, the message received, the communication was successful.
    That's really not the point. "unlawful or offensive behavior" and "are concerned" occur in different places in the sentence and mean different things.
    You say that Piscean's sentence contains no negative connotations. That's true, but not because it doesn't contain "are concerned"; it's because it doesn't contain "
    unlawful or offensive behavior".

    You're persisting in a bad lapse of logic. Let me give an analogy:

    Question: "My mother is a pediatrician." What does pediatrician mean?
    Us: "It means a children's doctor."
    You: "It could mean a lady children's
    doctor because it has 'mother' in it."
    Us: "But pediatrician doesn't imply female."
    You: "But the whole sentence conveys that message."
    Us: "What about 'My father is a pediatrician'? Does that mean "a lady children's doctor"?
    You: "No, because there's nothing about a female in it."

    We are talking about
    "are concerned" (or 'pediatrician'), not "unlawful or offensive behavior" (or 'mother').
    Whether the pediatrician is a man or a woman does not affect the meaning of 'pediatrician'. Same for "are concerned".



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    Re: are concerned

    The OP asks
    Quote Originally Posted by Sepmre View Post
    what does " are concerned" mean here?
    Do we take that to mean 'What's the intended meaning/use of those particular words in the context of this particular sentence?'

    Is this question different from

    What do those particular words mean generally?

    or

    What message does this particular sentence convey?

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