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    Exclamation None of this cheese is any good.

    Hello all,
    First:

    When we use none with 'plurar nouns' for example : None of my friends is wealthy." We mean not any persons of this group.
    But in the following how we can say not any of cheese?
    "None of this cheese is any good."

    And, seceond question:
    'good' here is noun? and what does 'any good' mean?


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    Re: None of this cheese is any good.

    You can often substitute not any for none. Sometimes you can't. Some old-fashioned grammarians cling to the idea that none is singular because of its etymology, and insist that you have to say none is. Most Americans would say None of my friends are wealthy, and most grammarians agree that this is perfectly fine.

    In None of this cheese is any good, "none" means the opposite of "all": All of this cheese is good/None of this cheese is good.

    "Any" is an adverb modifying the adjective ​good.
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    Re: None of this cheese is any good.

    Quote Originally Posted by nininaz View Post
    Thanks for your reply. Can I ask what 'any good ' mean? 'Good' hereis noun or not?
    Good is an adjective modifying "cheese": This cheese is good. None of this cheese is good.

    Any is an adverb intensifying good. It means "at all". None of this cheese is any good means "Not one bit of this cheese is even a little good."
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    #4

    Re: None of this cheese is any good.

    'Good' here is noun or not?
    Your question should be

    'Is "good" here a noun or not?'

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    Re: None of this cheese is any good.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Good is an adjective modifying "cheese": This cheese is good. None of this cheese is good.

    Any is an adverb intensifying good. It means "at all". None of this cheese is any good means "Not one bit of this cheese is even a little good."
    I really appreciate your help. You are a great help for me.
    Can I rewrite your sentence as following:
    Not any of this cheese is any good.
    and can we replace 'any good' with 'no good'?
    these tires are not any good . These tires are no good.
    Not any of this cheese is no good.
    sorry if I ask more questions than I should ask.

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    Re: None of this cheese is any good.

    Quote Originally Posted by nininaz View Post
    I really appreciate your help. You are a great help for me.
    Can I rewrite your sentence as following:
    Not any of this cheese is any good. Yes.
    and can we replace 'any good' with 'no good'? Sometimes.
    These tires are not any good. (No space.) These tires are no good. OK.
    Not any of this cheese is no good. No.
    Sorry if I ask more questions than I should ask.
    We're here to answer questions. Don't worry about it; I only answer when I have time to do so.

    You can't write Not any or None of this cheese is no good because it's a double negative. The first word, not or none, establishes the negative sense; what follows has to be affirmative. The negative initial word negates the affirmative part which follows.

    Certain double negatives are common in some varieties of spoken American English. You might hear, for example, Ain't none of this cheese any good. The last pair of words remains affirmative even in that kind of usage.
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    Re: None of this cheese is any good.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    We're here to answer questions. Don't worry about it; I only answer when I have time to do so.

    You can't write Not any or None of this cheese is no good because it's a double negative. The first word, not or none, establishes the negative sense; what follows has to be affirmative. The negative initial word negates the affirmative part which follows.

    Certain double negatives are common in some varieties of spoken American English. You might hear, for example, Ain't none of this cheese any good. The last pair of words remains affirmative even in that kind of usage.
    Thanks very much .It is kind of you.
    Can I rewrite your sentence as following:
    Not any of this cheese is any good. Yes.

    Now, I happen to study 'Michael Swan Practical English Usage' , He write in his book:(Page 371)
    'Not any cannot normally be used with subjects. No and none of are used instead.

    None of my friends lives near me. (NOT Not any of my friends ...)
    No brand of cigarette is completely harmless. (NOT Not any brand...)
    No tourists ever came to our village (NOT Not any tourists...)

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    Re: None of this cheese is any good.

    I agree with Swan's advice. I meant to write previously that Not any of this cheese is good​ is not natural.
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