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    #1

    My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    1. My brother and I are helping Mom and Dad.
    2. My brother and me are helping Mom and Dad.
    3. Me and my brother are helping Mom and Dad.
    4. I and my brother are helping Mom and Dad.

    Hi,
    I know that #1 is correct but what about #2, #3, and #4?

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    #2

    Re: My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    #2 and #3 are ungrammatical. #4 is grammatical but unnatural. Use #1.

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    #3

    Re: My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    It's a strong convention in English to put I and me last in phrases with more than one pronoun or a proper noun and pronoun(s), so much so that it looks wrong if you don't.
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    #4

    Re: My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    Whilst #3 is ungrammatical, native speakers commonly use it all the time in informal conversation.

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    #5

    Re: My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Whilst #3 is ungrammatical, native speakers commonly use it all the time in informal conversation.
    The same goes for number 2. In fact, I'm pretty sure 2 and 3 are far more common in conversational AmE than the "correct" version.
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    #6

    Re: My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    And don't forget the common but grating "Her and I went to the store."
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #7

    Re: My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    #3 is a form commonly used by children, until they are corrected by parents and teachers to use #1. Unfortunately, this results in hypercorrection, in which adults all too commonly use "X and I" in the objective case. (e.g., "They sent the package to my brother and I")
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    #8

    Re: My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    As a 70-year-old native speaker, I must say that I have used "me and my brother" and "my brother and me" as subjects all my life. I shall continue to do so.
    Last edited by probus; 12-Dec-2016 at 05:11. Reason: and the horse you rode in on

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    #9

    Re: My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    And don't forget the common but grating "Her and I went to the store."
    And even "Me and her went ...".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #10

    Re: My brother and me / Me and my brother / I and my brother

    Here in the US, it's common to hear: "My brother and myself . . . ."

    Ouch!
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