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    In this play he showed that humans were the same in 1599

    Dear all,

    I'm a teacher trainee and right now I'm correcting some class tests. I came across this sentence which does not sound grammatical to me, but I

    do not know why. Could someone please check and tell me what's (or what's not) wrong with it? Thanks:

    "In this play he showed that humans were the same in 1599 as they are in 2014 but also their braveness and the fact that humans are weak."

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    #2

    Re: In this play he showed that humans were the same in 1599

    Say:

    In this play he showed that people were the same in 1599 as they are today.

    I cannot use the rest of that as it makes no sense.

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    Re: In this play he showed that humans were the same in 1599

    Hi Tarheel
    Thank you for your answer. I must admit that it cannot make sense since it's been taken out of its context. My students had to mediate a text from German into English. In the original text Kenneth Brannagh claims that Shakespeare's plays are timeless because people still argue about the same topics as they do today. Brannagh also says that Sh.'s plays shows us how brave people are but that they are also weak. I am not sure if you can make that statement in the subclause after "but" without using another subject and verb: "In this play he showed that humans were the same in 1599 as they are in 2014 but also their braveness and the fact that humans are weak." Shouldn't it be "... but he also showed their braveness and..."?

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    Re: In this play he showed that humans were the same in 1599

    I think another subject and verb are not needed after 'but' in a construction like 'He showed their bravery but also their weakness'.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: In this play he showed that humans were the same in 1599

    I think it would be better to break the sentence into clearer parts somehow.

    Either by using two separate sentences or by repeating the verb to make two clear clauses, in which case the better conjunction would be and to introduce an additional idea. I don't see a reason to use the conjunction but, which normally introduces a concession. It seems like there was a thought to write a not only...but also sentence that never fully realised. That could be another option.

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    Re: In this play he showed that humans were the same in 1599

    I think you can restate that in just a few words, thus:

    Human nature hasn't changed.

    Shakespeare's plays are as relevant now as when he wrote them because human nature is the same now as it was then.

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    Re: In this play he showed that humans were the same in 1599

    Dear all,
    thank you for helping me out with your answers.
    Kind regards and happy new year to all of you!

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