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    '... education promises that vital first hire,...'

    Here is the whole context:
    'Although a vocational education promises that vital first hire, those with specialised training tend to withdraw from the labour force...'

    I think the underlined part as a kind of noun phrase; that is (that vital first/ hire(noun)). My question is why 'that' is used instead of 'the' and what the part does exactly mean.

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    Re: '... education promises that vital first hire,...'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bebop7 View Post
    Here is the whole context: Please consider the following sentence.
    'Although a vocational education promises that vital first hire, those with specialised training tend to withdraw from the labour force...'

    I think the underlined part as a kind of noun phrase; that is (that vital first/ hire(noun)).

    My question is why is 'that' is used instead of 'the', and what does the underlined part does exactly mean?
    "That" (not "the") is used to refer to something/someone while attributing something special to it/them. Look at explanation #3 of "that" as a determiner in the link below.

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/that
    Last edited by teechar; 21-Jan-2017 at 10:46. Reason: fixed quotes

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    Re: '... education promises that vital first hire,...'

    I am sorry if I might sound impolite to you. Next time, I will not forget to use the basic request sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by teechar View Post
    "That" (not "the") is used to refer to something/someone while attributing something special to it/them. Look at explanation #3 of "that" as a determiner in the link below.

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/that
    I'm still confused. Can you give me more explanation? I'm wondering how "that" as a determiner can be applied to the original sentence.

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    Re: '... education promises that vital first hire,...'

    A vocational education helps young people to get that special, all-important, confidence-building first job.
    Does that help?

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    Re: '... education promises that vital first hire,...'

    Quote Originally Posted by teechar View Post
    A vocational education helps young people to get that special, all-important, confidence-building first job.
    Does that help?
    Yes, that does help. Thank you.
    one more follow-up question. I think that the determiner 'that' is more close to the explanation #4 in the OED - Referring to a specific person or thing assumed as understood or familiar to the person being addressed. Because the author assumes that first job is special and all-important to both him(her) and us(readers). I'd like to hear your thoughts.

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    Re: '... education promises that vital first hire,...'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bebop7 View Post
    Yes, that does help. Thank you.
    One more follow-up question, I think that the determiner 'that' is more closer to the explanation #4 in the OED - Referring to a specific person or thing assumed as understood or familiar to the person being addressed. Because the author assumes that first job is special and all-important to both him/her and us (readers). I'd like to hear your thoughts.
    I think it's closer to #3, but I can accept your reasoning.

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