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    lose status v. lose its status

    I am confused with this title:Pluto loses status as a planet. It is confusing because it appears in my mind as "Pluto loses its status as a planet."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5282440.stm

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    Re: lose status v. lose its status

    Headlines/titles of articles online and in newspapers frequently omit words to save space. In that headline, "its" has been omitted. It could have been shortened even further to "Pluto loses planet status".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: lose status v. lose its status

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Headlines/titles of articles online and in newspapers frequently omit words to save space. In that headline, "its" has been omitted. It could have been shortened even further to "Pluto loses planet status".

    Can we say that titles are deliberately wrong?

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    Re: lose status v. lose its status

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    Can we say that titles are deliberately wrong?
    No! Why do you think that?

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    Re: lose status v. lose its status

    You can say that newspaper headlines aren't always written in standard English.

    I expect you could say the same of Turkish newspapers.

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    Re: lose status v. lose its status

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    You can say that newspaper headlines aren't always written in standard English.

    I expect you could say the same of Turkish newspapers.
    No, I like reading newspaper but I have never come across with a similar situation as done in English newspaper.

    Then can we say that there is newspaper/magazine based standart in English?

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    Re: lose status v. lose its status

    No. All we can say is that headlines and captions are written using as few words as possible without losing the meaning.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: lose status v. lose its status

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    No. All we can say is that headlines and captions are written using as few words as possible without losing the meaning.
    What if we use newspaper standart in speaking or writing? Probably there would be ununderstandings and misunderstanding so somebody would correct it. This makes me think that standart is wrong, at least useless in practice.

    Thank you.

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    Re: lose status v. lose its status

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    standart
    ununderstandings
    Those are not words. There's no excuse for that! Please pay attention to the spell checker provided by this site!

    Back to your point. We are not saying that newspapers and the media have a poor standard of English. We simply said that in headlines, sentences are abbreviated and words can be omitted.

    I'm closing this thread.

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    Re: lose status v. lose its status

    Please use the correct spelling of "standard". It seems you're just being argumentative now. We aren't going to start saying and writing everything the way it's written in headlines so it's a pointless debate.

    (Cross-posted with teechar, who beat me to it with closing the thread.)
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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