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    undisputed fact

    1. For Peter it proved to be an undisputed fact that something went wrong.
    2. It proved to be an undisputed fact that something went wrong for Peter.
    3. That something went wrong proved to be an undisputed fact for Peter.

    Please tell me which of these sentences are grammatically incorrect as well as which of these sentences would sound natural.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 22-Feb-2017 at 11:56. Reason: Fixing typo

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    #2

    Re: undisputed fact

    They are all grammatical, but 2 has a different meaning from 1 and 3.

    In 1 and 3, something could have gone wrong for somebody else; in 2, something went wrong for Peter.

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    #3

    Re: undisputed fact

    Thanks.
    What about the next sentence. It should be fine, but if it isn't tell me.
    4. It proved to be an undisputed fact for Peter, that something went wrong.

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    #4

    Re: undisputed fact

    Sentence 4 will be grammatically correct but awkward if it loses the comma.
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    #5

    Re: undisputed fact

    1. For Peter it proved to be an undisputed fact that something went wrong.
    What about these variations?
    2. For Peter it proved to be a given fact that something went wrong.

    3. For Peter it proved to be a given that something went wrong.

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    #6

    Re: undisputed fact

    Number 2 doesn't work. Number three is, I think, a significant improvement over number 1.
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    #7

    Re: undisputed fact

    A comma is needed after "For Peter".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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