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    #11

    Re: in spite of I am tired

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    I have to go to school, even though I am tired, because I have exams.
    Are commas required ? I haven't used the commas.

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    #12

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    The commas are required in Phaedrus's sentence. It's quite different from any of yours.
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    #13

    Re: in spite of I am tired

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    The commas are required in Phaedrus's sentence. It's quite different from any of yours.
    What is the difference between? And how can you state this difference when speaking?

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    #14

    Re: in spite of I am tired

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    What about this one: I have to go to school in spite of my being tired.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    I have to go to school, even though I am tired, because I have exams.
    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    What is the difference between? And how can you state this difference when speaking?
    If I'm not mistaken, Phaedrus's sentence contains a non-defining clause. You could leave out the commas and omit the phrase between them and still have a valid sentence: I have to go to school because I have exams. This sentence no longer tells us the speaker is tired and doesn't say that you're attending despite perhaps wishing you didn't have to.
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    #15

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, Phaedrus's sentence contains a non-defining clause. You could leave out the commas and omit the phrase between them and still have a valid sentence: I have to go to school because I have exams. This sentence no longer tells us the speaker is tired and doesn't say that you're attending despite perhaps wishing you didn't have to.
    But this one such as that and has not commas. So I am asking about the difference between this one and that one, it would be strange especially when speaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    Would you please explain why "in spite of I'm tired" is incorrect?

    Let's first think of this example.

    I have to go to the school in spite of I am tired because there are exams.
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    #16

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Are commas required ? I haven't used the commas.
    I consider the first comma optional in the revision I suggested even though "even though"-clauses usually are set off by commas. If "in spite of" or "despite" is used instead of "even though," the comma is even more optional. In the earlier responses in this thread, the ending part of the original sentence was ignored. Without that ending part, the absence of a comma makes sense: "I have to go to school in spite of (my) being tired." That expresses a single thought. With the ending part included, however, the logic of the sentence changes, and that affects comma choices. We want the "because"-clause to give the reason for the speaker's having to go to school, not for his being tired:

    I have to go to school because I have exams.
    ? I am tired because I have exams.

    To ensure that the "because"-clause will be read as relating to the speaker's having to go to school rather than to his being tired, we can make the "in spite of" phrase parenthetical by setting it off with a comma at each end. That the speaker is tired provides an extra, noteworthy detail, but it does not affect the basic thought, which is that the speaker has to go to school because he has exams.

    I have to go to school, in spite of (my) being tired, because I have exams.
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    #17

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    I have to go to the school in spite of I am tired because there are exams.

    There is no point in analysing that sentence. It is incorrect. As I told you in post #4, I=in spite of is not followed by a clause.
    Last edited by Piscean; 28-Feb-2017 at 19:37. Reason: Typo corrected. Thanks, GS.

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    #18

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    I have to go to the school in spite of I am tired because there are exams.

    There is no point in analysing that sentence. It is incorrect. As I told you in post #4, I=in spite of is not followed by a clause.
    I think your comma key moved again, Piscean.
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    #19

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Phaedrus's sentence. It's quite different from any of yours.
    Quite different? "Even though I am tired" is identical in meaning to "in spite of (my) being tired."

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    #20

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    Quite different? "Even though I am tired" is identical in meaning to "in spite of (my) being tired."
    Yes. The same idea can be conveyed by sentences which are structured differently.
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