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    #31

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    This learner cannot see a difference in meaning between (a) and (b) in post #30.
    Last edited by Matthew Wai; 01-Mar-2017 at 03:54.
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    #32

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    There is no significant difference, Matthew.

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    #33

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    Are "preposition-equivalent phrase" and "prepositional phrase" the same grammatic terms?
    No. A prepositional phrase is a phrase headed by a preposition, for example on the table, despite his illness.

    I used the expression 'preposition-equivalent phrase' to mean exactly what it says, a phrase (in spite of) that is equivalent in the way it works to a preposition. Some people consider it to be a complex preposition.

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    #34

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    I have to go to school, even though I am tired, because I have exams.
    What is the difference between the above sentence and this:

    "I have to go to school even though I am tired because I have exams."

    P.S: The sentence was incorrect in the previous comparison.Thank you.

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    #35

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    What is the difference between the above sentence and this:

    "I have to go to school even though I am tired because I have exams."

    P.S: The sentence was incorrect in the previous comparison.
    Phaedrus added the commas the sentence needed. Without them, the reader's first impression is that your fatigue is due to the exams.
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    #36

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Phaedrus added the commas the sentence needed. Without them, the reader's first impression is that your fatigue is due to the exams.
    Would it still be a correct sentence, which is conveying a different idea ?

    Thank you.

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    #37

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    The sentence we're discussing:
    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    "I have to go to school even though I am tired because I have exams."
    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    Would it still be a correct sentence, which is conveying a different idea?
    No. As I wrote above, the sentence needs the commas that Phaedrus added. It's wrong without them.

    Remember not to put a space before punctuation that ends a sentence.
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    #38

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    The sentence we're discussing:
    No. As I wrote above, the sentence needs the commas that Phaedrus added. It's wrong without them.
    Without them, the reader's first impression is that your fatigue is due to the exams
    How can we form a sentence conveying the idea that one's fatigue is due to the exams, but with the same words, maybe just changing order?

    Even though I am tired because of exams, I have to go to school because I have exams. I added a one more because to the sentence, but is it still idiomatic?

    Thank you.
    Last edited by hhtt21; 03-Mar-2017 at 21:44.

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    #39

    Re: in spite of I am tired

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    How can we form a sentence conveying the idea that one's fatigue is due to the exams, but with the same words, maybe just changing order?

    Even though I am tired because of exams, I have to go to school because I have exams. I added a one more because to the sentence, but is it still idiomatic?
    You're right, this sentence is unidiomatic, or just awkward. Perhaps this is something like what you're trying to say: We're in exams week. I'm bone tired from the exams I've already taken, but I have to go take another one today.

    Note that we take exams in American English. Canadians and Brits sit them; I think Aussies, New Zealanders, and various other British Commonwealth-ers also sit exams.
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