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    #11

    Re: just the same v. just as the same

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as I did.
    You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, exactly the same as I did.

    They mean the same.
    Would you please explain the reason, why the use of "just as the same" would be incorrect in "You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as the same I did."?

    Thank you.

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    #12

    Re: just the same v. just as the same

    Because 'the same' is not needed there, just as 'the same' is not needed in 'Do as I said'.
    I am not a teacher.

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    #13

    Re: just the same v. just as the same

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    Would you please explain the reason, why the use of "just as the same" would be incorrect in "You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as the same I did."?
    Posts #8 and #10 very clearly explained all that. You can go on another merry-go-round; just don't take us with you!

    Thread closed.

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    #14

    Re: just the same v. just as the same

    At the request of the OP, I'm reopening the thread to clarify that the structure used in post #8 is different from (and unrelated to) that in post #6.

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as I did.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    I walked into the bar [just as] the same three ominous characters I'd seen earlier got up to leave.
    GoesStation was just showing you that the collocation "just as the same" is possible in English. In that sentence, "just as" means "at the same time as." The word "same" is used for emphasis here; it can be left out. Take a look at meaning #1.2 of "same" in the link below.
    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/same


    Here is another possibility for that collocation:
    Just as [the same ingredients] are always used when making this type of pizza, the oven temperature must also be set to exactly 200 degrees.

    You can see from the above, that the structure matches with the example given earlier by emsr2d2. However, the word "same" is not part of that structure. I could have used, e.g., "Italian anchovies" instead!

    Does that help?
    Last edited by teechar; 02-Mar-2017 at 22:48. Reason: added a missing word. Thanks GoesStation

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