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    I have been here twice.

    My student asked me a question recently. It presumes that you are now in Beijing. So, you can say like "I have been here once" if you went there once before. My student's question is: Can we say like "I have been here twice."?

    My answer is no. My explanation is that only if you leave Beijing again, then you can say "I have been there twice."

    But my student seems puzzled still. (To say here, you have to be 'here'. So the present instance of being here is the one time that you are 'here'. If, in addition to being 'here' now, you also have been 'here', that makes twice, not once.)

    So, please tell me how to clarify this more clearly.

    Many thanks in advance.
    Last edited by rodgers white; 06-Mar-2017 at 08:05.

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    Re: I have been here twice.

    If I were in Beijing right now, I had previously visited once, and someone said "How many times have you been to Beijing?", my natural answer would be "This is my second visit". If I had to use your construction, I'd say either "I've been here twice now" (the "now" provides the relevant information), or "I've been here once before". Both of those make it clear that there has been one previous visit.

    I would say that if you are currently here​, you can't make the simple statement "I have been here [number of times]" - you need one of the extra words I indicated above.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: I have been here twice.

    Thank you for your time and consideration. But I still feel puzzled about the definition of "have/has been to somewhere". According to my understanding, when I say "I have been to someplace twice now.", it means I returned from that place and I am no longer in that place. So, I just can't understand how we can say " I have been here twice now." when you actually still remain in Beijing.

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    Re: I have been here twice.

    I think 'someplace' is different from 'here' in that one can say 'I am not someplace in Beijing' but cannot say 'I am not here in Beijing'.
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    Re: I have been here twice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    I think 'someplace' is different from 'here' in that one can say 'I am not someplace in Beijing' but cannot say 'I am not here in Beijing'.
    So, can we say "I have been here twice now" when you are still in Beijing under the circumstances in post #2? Is it acceptable?

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    Re: I have been here twice.

    Quote Originally Posted by rodgers white View Post
    So, can we say "I have been here twice now" when you are still in Beijing in post #2 ? Is it acceptable?
    Yes. You are in Beijing for the second time when you make the statement.
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    Re: I have been here twice.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Yes. You are in Beijing for the second time when you make the statement.
    So, if I were in Beijing right now, I had previously visited once. We can say: I have been here before. / I have been here twice now. / I have been here once before.

    Am I right?

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    Re: I have been here twice.

    Quote Originally Posted by rodgers white View Post
    So, I just can't understand how we can say " I have been here twice now." when you actually still remain in Beijing.
    'Here' refers to the place where you are, and you always remain in the place where you are, so you can certainly say it. That's how I understand it.
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    Re: I have been here twice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    'Here' refers to the place where you are, and you always remain in the place where you are, so you can certainly say it. That's how I understand it.
    I always thought that the sentence "I have been to a place" must mean I returned now. That's the reason why I feel confused about the sentence " I have been here twice now." and tell my students that when you leave Beijing again, you can say "I have been there(to Beijing) twice."

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    Re: I have been here twice.

    1. I have been to a place.
    2. I have been here twice now.

    I think they are very different because 'to' is absent from 2, as 'to' refers to a place where you are not. We think in the same native language, but I don't understand why you are confused.

    Post #2 already answered your question in post #7.
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