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    #11

    Re: arrange v. set up

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    ...is this an American vice British detail?
    No.

    Don't say vice. The word you mean is versus.

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    #12

    Re: arrange v. set up

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    1) is okay
    3) is much better
    2) is not right

    For the differences in meaning, see my previous post #4.
    Then this dictionary is wrong

    http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=arrange

    Set up:Put into a proper or systematic order
    "set up the books on the shelves in chronological order";

    http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=arrange

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    #13

    Re: arrange v. set up

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    Then this dictionary is wrong
    No. I would not use 'set up' in that sense and neither, apparently, would Jutfrank. Others would..

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    #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    I had a teacher at my university who grouped his books chronologically
    I used to arrange my English grammars in that way. It worked very well for me.

    With the onset of senile dementia, which meant that I could remember the names of writers but not always the year in which their book was published, I had to revert to alphabetical order. This meant, among other things, that Aarts (Oxford Modern English Grammar, 2011) moved from being nearly the last in my collection to being the first. Zandvoort's Handbook of English Grammar (1949) moved from a central position to last place.

    That worked for a couple of years. I am now having problems with alphabetical order. (That's ym ecxuse fro my typophilai) .

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    #15

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    That's very sad. I recommend you retire for an early night like I'm about to do with my book at bedtime:

    Care of the Elderly by Jerry Attrick-Holmes.

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    #16

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    I've got to page three of that ten nights in a row. Fortunately for me, it's completely fresh each time I start.
    Last edited by Piscean; 21-Mar-2017 at 00:06.

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    #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    No. I would not use 'set up' in that sense and neither, apparently, would Jutfrank. Others would..
    Do you mean it is a preference and neither you and nor Jutfrank would use set up instead of arrange in this way, but other people might prefer?

    Thank you.

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    #18

    Re: arrange v. set up

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    Then this dictionary is wrong

    http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=arrange

    Set up:Put into a proper or systematic order
    "set up the books on the shelves in chronological order";

    http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=arrange
    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    Do you mean it is a preference and neither you and nor Jutfrank would use set up instead of arrange in this way, but other people might prefer?
    I think the dictionary's sample sentence is rather unnatural. To set something up usually means "to put something into a pre-defined order," as in setting up the pieces in a chess set.
    I am not a teacher.

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    #19

    Re: arrange v. set up

    set up carries the meaning of arranging things in preparation for something that is coming next. You want to do something with this arrangement.

    set up a business
    set up a system
    set up some software
    set up a game


    It also carries the meaning:
    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    To set something up usually means "to put something into a pre-defined order," as in setting up the pieces in a chess set.
    The dictionary example fails to get across either of those uses and so, in my view, fails as a useful example.

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    #20

    Re: arrange v. set up

    Quote Originally Posted by hhtt21 View Post
    Then this dictionary is wrong

    Set up:Put into a proper or systematic order
    "set up the books on the shelves in chronological order";

    http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=arrange
    Hold on -- I've just looked at the link. It does not say what you quote!

    It actually says "arrange the books on the shelves in chronological order", which is a very good example of the verb arrange. I think you may be reading that dictionary in the wrong way.

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