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    #1

    When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    Hello,

    1. When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    2. When I got home, I realised that my dad had left an hour earlier.

    Is there any difference in meaning between these two sentences?

    I've once asked very similar question but now I've changed one word and I was wondering if it changes anything more.

    Thank you

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    #2

    Re: When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    There's no sense in asking whether there's a difference in meaning. You obviously know the meaning.

    The fact is that 2. is by far the better way to say it. 1. just sounds wrong.

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    #3

    Re: When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    Write I once asked a very similar question.
    I am not a teacher.

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    #4

    Re: When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Write I once asked a very similar question.
    Thanks. Can you please explain, why you think I shouldn't use the present perfect tense in this sentence?

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    #5

    Re: When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    Can you please explain[no comma here]why you think I shouldn't use the present perfect tense in this sentence?
    The simple past is correct because it states a simple fact about an action you performed in the past.

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    #6

    Re: When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Write I once asked a very similar question.
    Thank you. Would it be possible to explain why it is NOT correct to use the present perfect tense in my sentence? Aren't both sentences possible?

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    #7

    Re: When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by juseruser View Post
    Hello,

    1. When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    2. When I got home, I realised that my dad had left an hour earlier.

    Is there any difference in meaning between these two sentences?

    I've once asked very similar question but now I've changed one word and I was wondering if it changes anything more.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Write I once asked a very similar question.
    Quote Originally Posted by juseruser View Post
    Thank you. Would it be possible to explain why it is NOT correct to use the present perfect tense in my sentence? Aren't both sentences possible?
    I appreciate your confusion; in fact, I thought about your question before you asked it, wondering how I could explain why I've once asked is not possible but I've often asked is. I'm afraid I still haven't found the answer. Hopefully one of our teachers or grammarians will.
    I am not a teacher.

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    #8

    Re: When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    why I've once asked is not possible
    It refers to a discrete event in the past, so there's no need for the present perfect.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    but I've often asked is.
    That involves an indefinite-time adverb (often), so we use the present perfect to imply that I asked in the past and I still ask sometimes.

    cf.
    I often thought about that. [I don't think about that these days.]
    I've often thought about that. [I thought about that in the past, and I still think about it sometimes.]

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    #9

    Re: When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by teechar View Post
    It refers to a discrete event in the past, so there's no need for the present perfect.
    On this page "http://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/presentperfect.html" it can be read that "We CAN use the Present Perfect with unspecific expressions such as: ever, never, once, many times, several times, before, so far, already, yet, etc."


    What about sentences like:
    1) I've asked this question once.
    2) I've asked this question before.
    3) I've asked this question once before.
    4) I've once asked this question and now I'm asking again.

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    #10

    Re: When I got home, I realised that my dad left an hour earlier.

    Posts No.2 and No.5 seem to contradict each other. No. 2 says the simple past tense is wrong while No. 5 says it is OK.
    My understanding is that you do not need to use the past perfect tense if there is no doubt about the sequence of events.
    I am not a teacher or a native speaker.

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