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    gave/given

    Is it correct to use these sentences because I can't see any difference between them

    A: I can't believe he has given us a fake address

    B: I can't believe he gave us a fake address

    is there any difference?

    in A it's present perfect right? even though he (a guy) has given them a fake address a while ago, can I just go with A and relate this to my present situation?.

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    Re: gave/given

    The distinction is subtle, but revealing.

    With the present perfect form, we can easily imagine a situation where the sentence might be spoken, where the fact that he gave us the wrong address has some negative impact on what is happening now at the time of speaking.There is a strong relation between the past action and the effects of this action on the present situation. Maybe we have just driven to the address to discover that the address is fake. That is, we are faced with some kind of present evidence that the address is fake, and that we have been cheated.

    With the past simple form, we are less concerned about the current impact of the action, and more focused on the past action itself. The relation between past and present is not so strong. We can imagine that the speaker says this after the negative effects of the past action have become less immediate, for example, on reflection the following day.

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    #3

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundtrack12 View Post
    even though he (a guy) has given them a fake address a while ago, can I just go with A and relate this to my present situation?.
    Possibly, but the further removed somethingis from the current situation, the less likely this is. I would probably use the simple past for this.

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    So, it would be wrong to use A here?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundtrack12 View Post
    So, it would be wrong to use A here?.
    As I was trying to show in post #2, both A and B are correct. Which one do you want to use? It's largely irrelevant how long ago he gave us the fake address.

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    #6

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    What if I use A?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundtrack12 View Post
    What if I use A?.
    I don't understand. What do you mean?

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    #8

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    If I use A it means that it was recently right? and if I use B it means that it might have happened a day ago, a year ago, but not recently right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundtrack12 View Post
    If I use A it means that it was recently right? and if I use B it means that it might have happened a day ago, a year ago, but not recently right?
    No, that's not right.

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    Then, I don't quite get it. Could you explain it one more time please?.

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