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    The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    Hi everyone,
    I am writing to ask for help about the underlined parts.Which one sound correct?

    The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged them.

    Many thanks.

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    #2

    Re: The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    No need to repeat "them".

    I am not a teacher.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 13-Apr-2017 at 08:09. Reason: Deleting unnecessary quote.

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    #3

    Re: The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    I agree that there is no need to use "them". It wouldn't, however, be repetition because "them" hasn't been used earlier in the sentence.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #4

    Re: The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    Andrew, there is no need to make us read the OP again by quoting it in full when your reply immediately follows it.

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    Re: The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    Sometimes when I reply on my mobile phone, it automatically does that. I don't know why. If it bothers you that much, I will just lay off using my phone. No worries.

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    Re: The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    I agree that there is no need to use "them". It wouldn't, however, be repetition because "them" hasn't been used earlier in the sentence.
    Does n't "them" refer back to "changes'?

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    Re: The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    Hi,

    Yes, you're quite right. In any event, your sentence sounds much more natural without "them", in my opinion.

    Sue

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    Re: The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    Quote Originally Posted by newkeenlearner View Post
    Doesn't "them" refer back to "changes'?
    It refers back to "changes" but it is not repetition of the word "them". It is unnecessary in any case.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    I wonder if "envisage" is a more BrE use.

    I would have said "envision" and found "envisage" rather strange, as it's a rather uncommon word in my experience.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: The changes have been greater than we ever envisaged.

    You're right, Barb.

    Click here, then change the corpus to American English.

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