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    'must' in reported

    The associate professor said, ‘Students must have a student ID card to access the parts of the university’.
    1-) Is it correct?:The associate professor said that students must/had to have a student ID card to access the parts of the university.
    (Obligation in the past)

    Our counselor said, ‘You must come to school earlier next week’.
    2-) Is it correct?:Our counselor said we must/had to/would have to come to school earlier the following week.
    (Obligation in the future)
    My friend said, ‘Kate is at the bus stop now.She must be late for the school’.
    3-) My friend said that Kate was at the bus stop then and that she must be late for the school.
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    Re: 'must' in reported

    We should take the questions one at a time.

    The first one can't possibly be right. The professor allegedly said, "Students must have a student ID card to access the parts of the university". What did the professor really say? Their IDs will be checked before they will be allowed to get into____________.

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    "You must come to school earlier next week" is perfectly fine.

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    I don't know how being at the bus stop makes you late for school.

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    You should do a better job of making yourself understood.

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    Re: 'must' in reported

    These examples seem too artificial to be of any real use.

    Why would you use the following week in 2)? Don't you mean next week?

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    Re: 'must' in reported

    The associate professor said, ‘Students must have a student ID card to access the parts of the university’. (unless there is more context, I prefer "certain" or "some" in place of "the". Otherwise, the sentence is fine.)

    The associate professor said that students must/had to have a student ID card to access the parts of the university.
    (The sentence is fine because "said" is in the past, and "had to have" matches "said". Again I don't like "the".)

    Our counselor said, ‘You must come to school earlier next week’. (if the student was late this week, I think it makes sense for this sentence.)

    Our counselor said we must/had to come to school earlier the following week"(I prefer "next week" but I suppose "the following week" is okay. Don't use "would have to come" because it is wordy).

    My friend said, ‘Kate is at the bus stop now. She must be late for the school’. (If the class is already in session and Kate is still at the bus stop then the sentence makes sense. Don't use "the", just "late for school".)

    My friend said that Kate was at the bus stop and that she was late for the school. (Better like this).

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    Re: 'must' in reported

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewg927 View Post
    My friend said, ‘Kate is at the bus stop now. She must be late for the school’. (If the class is already in session and Kate is still at the bus stop then the sentence makes sense. Don't use "the", just "late for school".)

    My friend said that Kate was at the bus stop and that she was late for the school. (Better like this).
    I'd write ...and that she must be late for school. If you replace must be with "was", you lose the sense of insistence present in the original sentence.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    I'd write ...and that she must be late for school. If you replace must be with "was", you lose the sense of insistence present in the original sentence.
    I was debating about that but I just felt like it makes more sense to use "was" because the entire was in the past, like already happened but I see your point. Adrenalinman, I just want to let you know that we are not disagreeing, we just have slightly different points of view. You can choose whichever works/makes the most sense to you.

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    Re: 'must' in reported

    There have been some slightly conflicting responses.This is what I think.
    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalinman View Post
    The associate professor said, ‘Students must have a student ID card to access the parts of the university’.
    1-) Is it correct?:The associate professor said that students must/had to have a student ID card to access the parts of the university.
    (Obligation in the past)
    Both must have and had to have are fine. We frequently do not backshift must to had to even when we backshift other verbs. In any case, if the necessity to have a student ID card still holds at the time of reporting, then no backshifting is required for any verb.

    I agree with Andrew that the definite article before parts is inappropriate. you need some, certain or nothing

    Our counselor said, ‘You must come to school earlier next week’.

    2-) Is it correct?:Our counselor said we must/had to/would have to come to school earlier the following week.
    (Obligation in the future)
    Both must and had to are possible, as they were in your first sentence, Would have to is technically the reported version of will have to. A teacher who insisted on precise reporting of the direct speech might say this was incorrect, but in real life it is acceptable.

    If next week is still at the future at the time of reporting, then it does not need to be changed. If it is not, then it should be changed to the next/following week.
    My friend said, ‘Kate is at the bus stop now.She must be late for the school’.
    3-) My friend said that Kate was at the bus stop then and that she must be late for the school.
    (Deduction)
    That is fine in British English, except that we would not use the definite article before school.

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