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    Do they teach the IPA (phonetic alphabet) in US/UK schools?

    Hi, I'm a non-native speaker. I was taught the IPA(in US college and adult school) in order to say the new words that I haven't heard before( or simply get the idea of how they sound). But, I have wondered whether or not they teach the phonetic symbols in US/UK elementary(or intermediate) schools; because I think native speakers just listen to the sound and say it without the help (or knowledge) of the IPA.

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    Re: Do they teach the IPA (phonetic alphabet) in US/UK schools?

    I went through school in the UK without it.

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    I was an English teacher for 40 years and never learnt or taught it.

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    Re: Do they teach the IPA (phonetic alphabet) in US/UK schools?

    Same in Australia. It's enough of a challenge turning out school leavers who can write in English.

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    Re: Do they teach the IPA (phonetic alphabet) in US/UK schools?

    I only learned it when taking some linguistics classes in college. I have rarely used it outside of those few assignments.

    In the US, there isn't much standardization with phonetic transcriptions. I do teach my students how to use a dictionary, and one of the things I have to remind them is that the phonetic representation may vary from dictionary to dictionary, and that they need to consult the pronunciation key provided in the dictionary they're using.

    I frequently use this site, when dealing with particular pronunciation problems, because it has excellent animated side-views of the articulatory tract as well as frontal view of the mouth. The downside is that it's based on IPA, so I have to tell the students to ignore the symbols. I just project the website so they can see the animations and videos, and as much as possible avoid showing the IPA symbols.

    IPA can be very confusing since many of the symbols are just regular alphabet letters, but those letters don't always match up the alphabetic representation we use for that sound.

    For example, my Spanish speaking students frequently pronounce the letter 'y' (IPA /j/) as a 'j' (IPA /ʤ/). It's very confusing then to try to use IPA symbols where 'y' is represented by /j/.

    I think IPA has its uses, but not in an ESL classroom.
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    Re: Do they teach the IPA (phonetic alphabet) in US/UK schools?

    So, it seems like official school in US/UK/AUS don't teach the IPA, and only certain English teachers have learned and teach it. I did take some ESL classes at a community college in California. My teachers know and teach that. And a textbook we used( Pronouncing American English-by Gertrude F. Orion) does have a lesson about "using a dictionary for pronunciation". Anyway, thank you all, for your replies, they did give some useful information.
    Last edited by fruitninja; 05-May-2017 at 21:48.

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    It certainly wasn't taught in my school in the UK and I don't think it's taught in any schools here. I didn't learn it in order to teach English either.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    When I was a trainer on a Cert TEFL course, I taught my trainees to use IPA. None of my British or American trainees had learnt it at school. I first studied it when I read English at university.

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    Re: Do they teach the IPA (phonetic alphabet) in US/UK schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by fruitninja View Post
    Hi, I'm a non-native speaker. I was taught the IPA(in US college and adult school) in order to say the new words that I haven't heard before( or simply get the idea of how they sound). But, I have wondered whether or not they teach the phonetic symbols in US/UK elementary(or intermediate) schools; because I think native speakers just listen to the sound and say it without the help (or knowledge) of the IPA.
    Are you asking about native- or non-native-speakers? Native-speakers don't need to learn this for obvious reasons.

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    Re: Do they teach the IPA (phonetic alphabet) in US/UK schools?

    Given that English is not a phonetic language, so you can't just "say what you see", it might actually be helpful for native speakers to learn it too. That way, when they look up a word they don't know in the dictionary, they'd be able to read the definition and the pronunciation.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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