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    Present perfect or past simple

    why is present perfect used in the following examples :
    " you've received a new message "
    " you've successfully changed you password "
    why not past simple ?😅

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Ab.m View Post
    Why is the present perfect instead of the past simple used in the following examples?
    "You've received a new message."
    "You've successfully changed you password."
    why not past simple ?
    The present perfect indicates that the actions took place in the recent past. The past simple would not tell us when in the past those actions occurred.

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple

    Quote Originally Posted by teechar View Post
    The present perfect indicates that the actions took place in the recent past. The past simple would not tell us when in the past those actions occurred.
    But past simple aslo can be used in recent past, isn't it ?

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple

    The situations have present relevance - a new message is waiting for you; your password is now not what it was before.

    We have had quite a few questions recently about the present perfect indicating 'recent past'. The present relevance is more important in BrE than how short a time has passed since the event happened.

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    The situations have present relevance - a new message is waiting for you; your password is now not what it was before.

    We have had quite a few questions recently about the present perfect indicating 'recent past'. The present relevance is more important in BrE than how short a time has passed since the event happened.

    So present perfect used more often because most recent past actions defentliy will have a present relevance.
    and on other hand if there is no present relevance so past simple is used

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple

    If there is no past-time reference, such as just, a minute ago,then the present perfect is very likely in BrE. If there is such a past-time reference, however recent the past time was, we generally use a past tense.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 05-May-2017 at 16:14.

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple

    So that's what I understand from all your replies, in BrE everything that just happened is usually expressed with present perfect and focus on the present relevance.

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    If there is no past-time reference, such as just, a minute ago,then the present perfect is very likely in BrE. If there is such a past-time reference, however recent the past time was, we generally use a past tense.
    just is often used with present perfect, too.

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple

    Quote Originally Posted by teechar View Post
    The present perfect indicates that the actions took place in the recent past. The past simple would not tell us when in the past those actions occurred.
    The present perfect in itself does not indicate the recent past (although possibly the situational context does) and it does not tell us when in the past the action occurred. I could theoretically check my phone after 100 years and still receive a similar notification. You've received 300,000 new messages.

    These examples work well in the present perfect because they are notifications. Notifications, like news, have present relevance.

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    Re: Present perfect or past simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Ab.m View Post
    But the past simple ​can aslo also can be used in the recent past, isn't can't it?
    Note my corrections above.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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