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    Hello,

    I am wondering if the following sentences are correct and are used in daily conversations. If they are, please let me know the contextual differences and nuances.

    1. A little reflection will tell him that he is not seeing things as they are.
    2. A little reflection will tell him that he does not see things as they are.
    3. A little reflection will tell him that he is not looking at things as they are.
    4. A little reflection will tell him that he does not look at things as they are.
    5. A little reflection will tell him that he is being too obstinate.
    6. A little reflection will tell him that he made a mistake.
    7. A little reflection would have told him that he had not been seeing things as they had been.
    8. A little reflection would have told him that he had not seen things as they had been.
    9. A little reflection will tell him that he refuses to look at things as they are.

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    Re: A little reflection will tell/would have told him that he ...

    They are all grammatically correct, but I think they are a bit too wordy/formal to be natural in everyday conversation.
    “Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

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    Re: A little reflection will tell/would have told him that he ...

    1. A little reflection will tell (a) him that he is not (f) seeing (b)(c) (d) things as they are(c).
    2. A little reflection will tell (a) him that he does not (f) see (b) (c) (d) things as they are (c) (e).
    3. A little reflection will tell (a) him that he is not (f) looking (b) (c) (d) at things as they are (c) (e).
    4. A little reflection will tell (a)him that he does not (f) look (b) (c) (d) at things as they are (c) (e).
    5. A little reflection will tell (a) him that he is being (b) (c) too obstinate(e) (f).
    6. A little reflection will tell (a)him that he made (b)(c) a mistake (e) (f)
    7. A little reflection would have told (a) him that he had not (f) been seeing (b) (c) (d) things as they had been (c) (e).
    8. A little reflection would have told (a) him that he had not (f) seen (b) (c) (d) things as they had been (c) (e).
    9. A little reflection will tell him (a)that he refuses (f) to look at (d)things as they are (c) (e).

    There are far too many contrasting ideas in those sentences for us to be able to discuss all the nuances in one post, or even in one thread. Concentrate on one contrast at a time from this list:

    (a) will tell vs would tell vs would have told
    (b) simple vs progressive
    (c) present vs past vs past perfect(
    d) see vs look at
    (e) SEE things as they BE vs BE too obstinate vs MAKE a mistake
    (f) negation by not vs negation by semantic content
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    Re: A little reflection will tell/would have told him that he ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    1. A little reflection will tell (a) him that he is not (f) seeing (b)(c) (d) things as they are(c).
    2. A little reflection will tell (a) him that he does not (f) see (b) (c) (d) things as they are (c) (e).
    3. A little reflection will tell (a) him that he is not (f) looking (b) (c) (d) at things as they are (c) (e).
    4. A little reflection will tell (a)him that he does not (f) look (b) (c) (d) at things as they are (c) (e).
    5. A little reflection will tell (a) him that he is being (b) (c) too obstinate(e) (f).
    6. A little reflection will tell (a)him that he made (b)(c) a mistake (e) (f)
    7. A little reflection would have told (a) him that he had not (f) been seeing (b) (c) (d) things as they had been (c) (e).
    8. A little reflection would have told (a) him that he had not (f) seen (b) (c) (d) things as they had been (c) (e).
    9. A little reflection will tell him (a)that he refuses (f) to look at (d)things as they are (c) (e).

    There are far too many contrasting ideas in those sentences for us to be able to discuss all the nuances in one post, or even in one thread. Concentrate on one contrast at a time from this list:

    (a) will tell vs would tell vs would have told
    (b) simple vs progressive(c) present vs past vs past perfect(d) see vs look at
    (e) SEE things as they BE vs BE too obstinate vs MAKE a mistake
    (f) negation by not vs negation by semantic content
    Thank you for your advice. Let me first focus on Sentences 1 and 2. Is there any difference in nuance between the two: progressive and non-progressive in the sub clause?

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    Re: A little reflection will tell/would have told him that he ...

    Quote Originally Posted by inase View Post

    1. A little reflection will tell him that he is not seeing things as they are.
    2. A little reflection will tell him that he does not see things as they are.
    In [1], there is the suggestion that his failure to see things as they are is of limited duration. He may well be able to see things as they are normally.
    In [2], there is the suggestion that this failure is a a permanent feature of his character.

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    Re: A little reflection will tell/would have told him that he ...

    Thank you! Does it apply to the difference between 3 and 4? The reason I ask this question is that "see" and "look at" are different in that the former does not usually make a progressive form while the latter does.

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    Re: A little reflection will tell/would have told him that he ...

    Quote Originally Posted by inase View Post
    The reason I ask this question is that "see" and "look at" are different in that the former does not usually make a progressive form while the latter does.
    Where did you learn this?

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    Re: A little reflection will tell/would have told him that he ...

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    Where did you learn this?
    Is "where" important?
    "See" usually means a state like "think" and "look at" an action like "watch."

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    Re: A little reflection will tell/would have told him that he ...

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    Thank you! Does it apply to the difference between 3 and 4? The reason I ask this question is that "see" and "look at" are different in that the former does not usually make a progressive form while the latter does.
    In your sentence, 'see' has a meaning similar to regard, consider, hold/form an opinion about. This has a more dynamic sense the the receptive sense of receiving an impression through your eyes, and the progressive aspect is possible.

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    Re: A little reflection will tell/would have told him that he ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    In your sentence, 'see' has a meaning similar to regard, consider, hold/form an opinion about. This has a more dynamic sense the the receptive sense of receiving an impression through your eyes, and the progressive aspect is possible.
    OK. Like I see. In that context you don't use I'm seeing. But the word "see" is more commonly used as view through your vision.

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