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    afternoon

    Are these sentences correct?

    I am working from 9:00 a.m. to 12 noon today as I have a dental appointment in the afternoon.

    I am working from 9:00 a.m. to 12 p.m. today as I have a dental appointment this afternoon.

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    Re: afternoon

    Yes, they are.

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    Re: afternoon

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertJ View Post
    Actually, there is no such thing as 12:00 pm because 12:00 o'clock is a singularity. 'Midnight' could be considered as 12:00 am or 12:00 pm, and noon could be considered as 12:00 am or 12:00 pm. It's best to stick with 12:00 noon and 12:00 midnight.
    I agree that 12:00 noon is better. However, 12:00 pm is nearly universally used to mean "noon". You will be understood if you join the rest of the world and ignore us pedants who wistfully insist that post meridiem means "after noon" and therefore "12:00 pm" is logically impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    You will be understood if you join the rest of the world and ignore us pedants who wistfully insist that post meridiem means "after noon" and therefore "12:00 pm" is logically impossible.

    I will now step away from the lectern, step off the podium, and leave the room.
    Before you leave...

    Is it not true that when we say it's 12:00 p.m., we are in almost all cases referring to the time period of sixty seconds posterior to the meridiem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Before you leave...

    Is it not true that when we say it's 12:00 p.m., we are in almost all cases referring to the time period of sixty seconds posterior to the meridiem?
    I had to reflect on this a little. It's certainly nearly always actually after noon when we say that, so I concur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Before you leave...

    Is it not true that when we say it's 12:00 p.m., we are in almost all cases referring to the time period of sixty seconds posterior to the meridiem?
    I hope you noticed that my response didn't beg the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    I hope you noticed that my response didn't beg the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    ?
    I just happened to think of another favorite pedants' gripe. In American English at least, the old, subtle meaning of beg the question ("dodge the issue", more or less) has been entirely replaced by the simpler "demands that one ask".
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    Re: afternoon

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    However, 12:00 pm is nearly universally used to mean "noon". You will be understood if you join the rest of the world and ignore us pedants who wistfully insist that post meridiem means "after noon" and therefore "12:00 pm" is logically impossible.
    I come from a different school of pedantry. I just cannot understand the minds of those who pass from 9 am through 10 am and 11 am to 12 pm. I concede that 12 am would be as illogical for 'noon' as 12 pm (ideally it should be 12 m) in that it is neither before nor after noon, but at least it would be less insane as we pass through the morning hours from 1 am to 11 am and then ... 12 am.

    However, the convention is that noon is 12 pm, so we just have to grin and bear it when others use it. I'll stick to 12 noon.

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