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    request(ask/require/demand) a speech from/of a guest

    I am wondering if there is any difference in nuances or usage between sentence 1 (from a guest) and sentence 2 (of a guest).
    My guess is that sentence 1 is spoken while sentence 2 is used in a literary context.
    I also consider that sentence structure-wise, "ask," "require" and "demand" are interchangeable for the "request" slot and sentences 3, 4, and 5 communicate the same message as sentences 1 and 2.

    1. The M.C. requested a postprandial speech from the guests.
    2. The M.C. requested a postprandial speech of the guests.
    3. The M.C. requested the guests to make a postprandial speech.
    4. The M.C. requested that the guests make a postprandial speech. (American English?)
    5. The M.C. requested that the guests should make a postprandial speech. (British English?)

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    Re: request(ask/require/demand) a speech from/of a guest

    It's almost always called an "after-dinner speech". Even though "post-prandial" does mean "after eating", I've never heard it used in this context.

    1 and 2 are OK. I don't like 3 - the combination of "request" and "to make" doesn't work. 4 is best. 5 doesn't need "should". BrE uses the same as AmE here (ie number 4).
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: request(ask/require/demand) a speech from/of a guest

    Quote Originally Posted by inase View Post
    4. The M.C. requested that the guests make a postprandial speech. (American English?)
    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    4 is best. 5 doesn't need "should". BrE uses the same as AmE here (ie number 4).
    I'm pretty sure that BrE speakers would often, maybe usually, use the simple past instead of the subjunctive. That is, I'd expect to hear The M.C. requested that the guests made an after-dinner speech. (This sounds odd to an American ear.)

    Am I wrong?
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    Re: request(ask/require/demand) a speech from/of a guest

    You're certainly wrong with regard to me and the other BrE speakers I know.

    He requested that they make ...
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: request(ask/require/demand) a speech from/of a guest

    To me, 1. and 4. sound okay. The others don't.

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    Re: request(ask/require/demand) a speech from/of a guest

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    You're certainly wrong with regard to me and the other BrE speakers I know.

    He requested that they make ...
    Thanks. I keep thinking I've nailed the BrE use of the subjunctive, and keep being proven wrong.
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