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    There's + plural noun: informal, ungrammatical, or both?

    In an informal style, here's, there's and where's are common with plural nouns:
    Here's your keys.
    There's some children at the door.
    Where's those books I lent you.
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    Is "Here's your keys." ungrammatical? I don't think so, but a colleague of mine (a non-native English teacher) believes such a sentence is both informal and ungrammatical and we had a discussion over it. Is it to do with descriptive vs. prescriptive approaches?
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    Re: There's + plural noun: informal, ungrammatical, or both?

    Technically it is ungrammatical and it is certainly informal. You will hear it, though.
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    Re: There's + plural noun: informal, ungrammatical, or both?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    Technically it is ungrammatical and it is certainly informal. You will hear it, though.
    Thanks for the answer, but isn't grammar a set of rules inferred, created and modified according to what ordinary native speakers actually use a language?

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    Re: There's + plural noun: informal, ungrammatical, or both?

    I wouldn't use 'here's your keys' and nor would the majority of people I know.
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    Re: There's + plural noun: informal, ungrammatical, or both?

    You will come across "Here's/There's" before plural nouns a lot in spoken and informal written BrE. However, the uncontracted versions ("Here is/There is") are not used in the same way.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: There's + plural noun: informal, ungrammatical, or both?

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    However, the uncontracted versions ("Here is/There is") are not used in the same way.
    Actually I knew that. What my colleague and I discussed was whether to label it ungrammatical or not.
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