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    My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    Hello,

    There is a famous quote of Yunus Emre, a Turkish poet who lived in the 13th century. I tried to translate it into English. But Iím not sure whether it sounds natural in English. Can you please check the below sentence?

    My decency gets in the way against those without decency.

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    Re: My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    It means nothing to me.

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    Re: My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    It must lose a bit in translation. It would be nice to see the untranslated saying. However it does mean something to me.

    "My decency gets in the way"

    In other words, this person is so good they cannot bring themselves to be bad in any way, not even a little bad thing like a white lie. This can be a problem for him because always telling the truth or doing the right thing can be embarrassing for them at times.

    "against those without decency."

    There exists in this world shameless people who will do or say anything to get their way.


    "My decency gets in the way against those without decency."

    Saying the complete sentence just means the "good" guy has no defense against a "bad" guy because of his morals.

    Experience is recognizing a mistake the second time you make it.
    You don't go to an Englishman when you want good pierogi.

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    Re: My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    I see. How about the following sentence?

    My decency doesn’t permit me to [respond to] those without decency.

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    Re: My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    My decency doesn’t permit me to [respond to] those without decency.
    Your first attempt at translation is much better than this one.
    Experience is recognizing a mistake the second time you make it.
    You don't go to an Englishman when you want good pierogi.

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    Re: My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    That is the dangers of accepting translation programs as "gospel".

    In your attempt, I am sure some of those words in Turkish can have several meanings in English and vice versa. Unfortunately, translation programs usually gives only one meaning and the program takes its best shot... often giving funny results.

    I tried this translation to Turkish and got another translation in addition to what you got: Benim terbiye terbiye olmayanlar karşı engel oluyor.

    It is a little closer but I think this poster gives a decent translation. At least it makes sense to me.

    Finally, the original poster is Turkish and Yunus Emre is a Turkish poet. So I think I would trust his/her translation over a computer generated one. Especially a translation of something poetic.

    Frankly, I think this translation that was first given has a nice poetic ring to it. Angelrolls is to be congratulated on the attempt in my opinion.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 04-Aug-2017 at 11:33. Reason: Fixing typo
    Experience is recognizing a mistake the second time you make it.
    You don't go to an Englishman when you want good pierogi.

    - Wisdom from my father

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    Re: My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    Decency doesn't allow me to hang out with people who lack thereof?

    I'm trying to think if there is an English equivalent of that but can't think of one.
    Last edited by andrewg927; 04-Aug-2017 at 01:52.

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    Re: My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    Thereof doesn't work there.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    Andrewq927 and GoesStation: I would not try to make a grammatical sentence from this. It is poetry that has been translated. Grammar rules don't apply here. I think the translation that was first made is understandable and has a poetic lilt to it.
    Experience is recognizing a mistake the second time you make it.
    You don't go to an Englishman when you want good pierogi.

    - Wisdom from my father

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    Re: My decency gets in the way against those without decency

    Somehow "monkey see, monkey do" comes to mind so I agree with you, Lynxear. It was just my awkward attempt to translate and I was by no means happy with that suggestion. More like to solicit a dicussion. The problem is the OP doesn't make sense to me. Here is another suggestion: "my decency gets in the way of me making friends with those without decency."

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