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    Should I use "have never seen" or "had never seen" in the following context?

    1- The Fifa world cup is one of the greatest shows on Earth.Of all the world cups organised by Fifa, 2014's world cup is very memorable to me. The goal that Rodriguez scored is my favourite goal. I have/had never seen a goal like that before.

    'have/had never done': Which one should I use?

    2- Yesterday I visited my friend's party. I sang a song there for the first time. I have/had never done that before.
    Last edited by subhajit123; 07-Aug-2017 at 14:24.

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    Re: Had/have never seen

    What would you use?

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    Re: Had/have never seen

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    What would you use?
    In the first sentence I would use the present perfect. And in the second I will definitely use past perfect. But I am not sure about the first sentence because I am talking about a incident that happened a few years ago.Though I am talking about a goal that was scored 3 years ago yet I have not seen any other goal like that from then. What form should I use?

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    Re: Had/have never seen

    Quote Originally Posted by subhajit123 View Post
    1- The Fifa world cup is one of the greatest shows on Earth. (Space) Of all the world cups organised by Fifa, 2014's world cup is very memorable to me. The goal that Rodriguez scored is my favourite goal. I have/had never seen a goal like that before.

    'have/had never done': Which one should I use?

    2- Yesterday I visited my friend's party. I sang a song there for the first time. I have/had never done that before.
    Quote Originally Posted by subhajit123 View Post
    In the first sentence I would use the present perfect. And in the second I will definitely use past perfect.
    Ending the last sentence in number 1 with "before" requires you to use the past perfect.
    Last edited by GoesStation; 07-Aug-2017 at 17:42. Reason: Fix a contradictory response. Sorry!
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    Re: Had/have never seen

    Quote Originally Posted by subhajit123 View Post

    1- The Fifa FIFA World Cup is one of the greatest shows on Earth. (Space after a full stop.) Of all the FIFA World Cups I have watched, organised by Fifa, the 2014 's world cup competition is very the most memorable to for me. The goal that Rodriguez scored is my favourite goal. I have/ had never seen a goal like that before.



    2- Yesterday I visited went to my friend's party. I sang a song there. for the first time. I have/ had never done that before.
    I have made some other corrections and changes above.

    In 1:
    - it's important to use correct capitalisation for the official name of such competitions.
    - You haven't seen every World Cup ever played, so you need to specify that the 2014 competition is the most memorable of those you have seen/watched.
    - If the goal that Rodriguez scored is your favourite goal from that year's competition, the version above is OK. If you think it's the best goal you've ever seen, add "ever" after "favourite goal".

    In 2:
    - We don't "visit" parties. We go to them. (Also, parties are usually held in the evening so I would probably use "Last night", not "Yesterday". However, if the party was held during the day, "Yesterday" is OK. That's why I have left it for now.
    - By saying "I had never done that before", you negate the need for "for the first time" in the second sentence.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Had/have never seen

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    I have made some other corrections and changes above.

    In 1:
    - it's important to use correct capitalisation for the official name of such competitions.
    - You haven't seen every World Cup ever played, so you need to specify that the 2014 competition is the most memorable of those you have seen/watched.
    - If the goal that Rodriguez scored is your favourite goal from that year's competition, the version above is OK. If you think it's the best goal you've ever seen, add "ever" after "favourite goal".

    In 2:
    - We don't "visit" parties. We go to them. (Also, parties are usually held in the evening so I would probably use "Last night", not "Yesterday". However, if the party was held during the day, "Yesterday" is OK. That's why I have left it for now.
    - By saying "I had never done that before", you negate the need for "for the first time" in the second sentence.
    Can you tell me when should I use present perfect in the first sentence? I have never seen a goal like that before: does this tense not fit in the conext? Can you explain why?
    Last edited by subhajit123; 07-Aug-2017 at 18:04.

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    Re: Had/have never seen

    Quote Originally Posted by subhajit123 View Post
    Can you tell me when should I use present perfect in the first sentence? I have never seen a goal like before: does this tense not fit in the conext? Can you explain why?
    "Olivetti just smashed the puck right through the net. I've never seen a goal like that before!" The adverb just sets the action in the very near past, so I use the present perfect to relate it to the present.

    "Ten years ago, Zinedine Zidane was ejected from the World Cup final when he let an opponent's taunts goad him into violence. I'd never seen anything like it." The past perfect relates the statement to my condition at the time of the action. The Zinedine Zidane headbutt occurred in 2006. I may have seen something like it in 2010, but that's not relevant to my statement.
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    Re: Had/have never seen

    Quote Originally Posted by subhajit123 View Post
    Can you tell me when should I use present perfect in the first sentence? I have never seen a goal like that before: does this tense not fit in the conext? Can you explain why?
    I have never seen a goal like the one I saw in 2014. (This means you hadn't seen one before it and you haven't seen one since.)
    I hadn't seen a goal like the one I saw in 2014. (This means you hadn't seen a goal like it before 2014 but it doesn't mean you haven't seen a similar/better once since then.)
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: Had/have never seen

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    I have never seen a goal like the one I saw in 2014. (This means you hadn't seen one before it and you haven't seen one since.)
    I hadn't seen a goal like the one I saw in 2014. (This means you hadn't seen a goal like it before 2014 but it doesn't mean you haven't seen a similar/better once since then.)
    The FIFA World Cup is one of the greatest shows on Earth. Of all the FIFA World Cups I have watched, the 2014 competition is the most memorable for me. The goal that Rodriguez scored is my favourite goal ever. I have never seen a goal like that before.

    Here I want to mean that I hadn't seen a goal like that before and I haven't seen one since then. Can I use the present perfect now?
    Last edited by subhajit123; 07-Aug-2017 at 19:15.

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    Re: Had/have never seen

    If you want it to mean that, you need to remove "before" at the end and, in this case, add "another" before "goal".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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