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  1. Lenka's Avatar

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    When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    I read this "catchword" (can I call it like this?) in an advertisment in Croatia. It's advertising their beer.

    I'd just like to know why there is no definite article in front of "Croatians" => When in Croatia, do as THE Croatians do.

    Is it a mistake?

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    Re: When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    Hello Lenka.
    'The' is optional, because it is a plural noun. We would need the/a before 'Croatian'.
    I am still surprised there is no 'the', as they are borrowing the old saying 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do'


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    Re: When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    Hi Lenka,

    'Slogan' is the word you are looking for.

    A slogan is a memorable phrase used in a political, commercial, religious, and other contexts as a repetitive expression of an idea or purpose.
    (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    Doris

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    Re: When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doris
    Hi Lenka,
    'Slogan' is the word you are looking for.
    A slogan is a memorable phrase used in a political, commercial, religious, and other contexts as a repetitive expression of an idea or purpose.
    (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    Doris
    Slogan is the best word here, but there are also "catch-phrases", which are phrases usually associated with a well-know person or fictitious character, such as:

    What's up, Doc?
    Doh!
    Come up and see me sometime.

    Extra points if you know the references.

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    Re: When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    Bugs Bunny, Homer Simpson and Mae West.


    I spend entirely too much time in front of the TV...

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    Re: When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ouisch
    Bugs Bunny, Homer Simpson and Mae West.


    I spend entirely too much time in front of the TV...
    Wow!! I knew just Homer... I did watch Bugs Bunny when I was small, but it was all in Czech ,so I can't remember the English sentence.
    And I don't know Mae West (I hope you won't consider me too stupid now).


    Anyway, do you think that the missing "the" is a mistake?
    I was taught that you always have to use definite article with nations. And now you tell me that it is optional, Vlad_the_Inhaler...
    And the proverb with Romans...

    Do you consider it a mistake?
    Last edited by Lenka; 29-Jul-2006 at 10:52.

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    Re: When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenka
    Wow!! I knew just Homer... I did watch Bugs Bunny when I was small, but it was all in Czech ,so I can't remember the English sentence.
    And I don't know Mae West (I hope you won't consider me too stupid now).
    Anyway, do you think that the missing "the" is a mistake?
    I was taught that you always have to use definite article with nations. And now you tell me that it is optional, Vlad_the_Inhaler...
    And the proverb with Romans...
    Do you consider it a mistake?

    In the sentence ".....do as Croatians do." you are not supposed to use the definite article "the" because it`s a general statement / a true fact about what Croatians do [in general].

    e.g. Children like sweets [ don`t need article because children like sweets -it`s a general truth].

    Regards

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    Re: When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    Quote Originally Posted by sheena55ro
    In the sentence ".....do as Croatians do." you are not supposed to use the definite article "the" because it`s a general statement / a true fact about what Croatians do [in general].

    e.g. Children like sweets [ don`t need article because children like sweets -it`s a general truth].

    Regards
    Why do you use "the" in the proverb "When in Roma, do as the Romans do.", then?

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    Re: When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenka
    Why do you use "the" in the proverb "When in Roma, do as the Romans do.", then?

    As you know this is an old saying and it passed through centuries in this form, but , if you take into consideration the up-dated/ modern English grammar rules "the" is not used in general statements. Ancient Rome was a cosmopolitan city and one was supposed to do only what the Romans did [those specific inhabitants of Rome and only them - the class of Roman aristocracy- , not the other nationalities like Etruscan, Greeks, or even slaves]. Romans considered themselves superior to others. Thus, the article "the" is specifically used here


    Regards,
    Last edited by sheena55ro; 29-Jul-2006 at 14:09.

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    Re: When in Croatia, do as Croatians do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenka
    Wow!! I knew just Homer... I did watch Bugs Bunny when I was small, but it was all in Czech ,so I can't remember the English sentence.
    And I don't know Mae West (I hope you won't consider me too stupid now).
    Of course I would never consider you stupid!
    Mae West was a film star of the 1930s and 40s who was famous for her sexy image and her "naughty" dialog. She has become a pop culture icon similar to Marilyn Monroe since her death.

    Some famous Mae West quotes:
    Another woman admires Mae's jewelry and says, "Goodness, what lovely diamonds!"
    Mae responds, "Goodness had nothing to do with it."

    "It is better to be looked over than to be overlooked."

    "When I'm good, I'm very, very good. When I'm bad, I'm better."

    http://www.bombshells.com/gallery/west/

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