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    Question When/in a situation/in a state of things

    Hi Everyone,

    I am trying currently to improve my work, papers and documents I have written recently.

    I have realized I am not sure about a phrase, and I cannot find an answer on the internet.

    This is a sentence I have written it in.

    "Currently available data does not offer broad and deep insight into effects of those adjustments when data from the database is a main basis for an analysis."


    /In case of/in a state of things/in a situation/at a point
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    I am not sure which of above I should use. Is when perfectly fine, or maybe I should even use if instead?

    I have just wanted to write that using specified data I obtained slightly unsatisfying results.

    Could you please refrain from suggesting significant changes to the sentence, as I would like to leave it only slightly changed.

    Thanks for any help and suggestions.

    PS: I have used general prefix as I am not sure whether I should use vocabulary or grammar.

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    Re: When/in a situation/in a state of things

    Currently available data does not offer broad and deep insight into the effect(s) of those adjustments.

    I would like to leave it only slightly changed.

    I have lopped off the last half, but left your words mostly unchanged.

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    Re: When/in a situation/in a state of things

    Quote Originally Posted by J&K Tutoring View Post
    Currently available data does not offer broad and deep insight into the effect(s) of those adjustments.


    Thanks for Your reply J&K Tutoring, but I have hoped that I can also preserve that part in a sentence which underlines that specific set of data was used.

    I think I can propose also different option: " Currently available data does not offer broad and deep insight into the effect(s) of those adjustments, as long/far as an analysis in which this(that, the, or previously mentioned...,) dataset is used.

    Is that version better than my previously proposed phrases? Is it really a must, that I need to cut my sentence in half, and write about that specific set in next sentence, otherwise it will look untidy?

    Thanks
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 05-Sep-2017 at 10:04. Reason: Fixed quote box

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    Re: When/in a situation/in a state of things

    Then perhaps we need to lop off the front! "Currently available data" is actually rather meaningless. All data is currently available. Data not available now is of no use, unless you are using that phrase to state that more data is being or needs to be gathered.

    Your sentence rather goes in a circle. It reminds me of something my mother used to say when we kids would dwell on 'ifs'. She'd say, "If we had some ham, we could have some ham and eggs, if we had some eggs."

    Your sentence breaks down basically to say, 'This data does not offer insight if we use this data.'

    I will stand by my recommendation. You are certainly welcome to leave in or take out whatever you wish.

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    Re: When/in a situation/in a state of things

    Data is commonly used with singular verbs, but academic and scientific circles often still favour the plural.

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    Re: When/in a situation/in a state of things

    I would go a little further and say that the overwhelming majority of writers use data as a singular mass noun.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: When/in a situation/in a state of things

    I agree, but this might be one of those contexts. I don't use it as a plural.

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    Re: When/in a situation/in a state of things

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertJ View Post
    the great unwashed.
    None taken.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: When/in a situation/in a state of things

    Thank you all for the really informative answers!

    After correcting my initial example I would like to specify better what (apart from advice on correctness, or incorrectness of the sentence) I felt I needed to know from the forum members.

    Currently available data do not offer broad and deep insight into the effects of those adjustments[...] when data from a database limited to the observations from the regions (in which we take a special interest) form the main basis for an analysis(I am underlining that it occurs when specific data set is cut from all available data).

    /In case of/in a state of things/in a situation/at a point
    Could anybody tell me which of these phrases written above I can use instead of when (as I know now that it can be used in the sentence)?

    Or maybe there are some more proper/appropriate ones?

    I think it would be good to know it(them) for future purposes(/use).

    Thanks
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 07-Sep-2017 at 08:27. Reason: Enlarging font size.

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