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    After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    I am wondering if my sentences is grammatically correct.

    After his team suffered a humiliating defeat, the manager told journalists he felt like a crushed flower.

    Is it possible to use the following phrases with the same meaning:

    After his team conceded a humiliating defeat...
    After his team faced a humiliating defeat..

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    Re: After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    Neither of your suggestions carries the same meaning. The first isn't grammatical.

    After his team conceded 16 goals in their humiliating defeat ...
    After his team faced a humiliating defeat, they really pulled their socks up and scored nine goals in the second half.

    If a team is not in the lead during a game/match, they are "facing defeat" but they're only facing it until the game/match is over.
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    Re: After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    Does "felt like a crushed flower" do not sound natural?

    Do I need past perfect in the first part of my sentence like this?
    After his team had suffered a humiliating defeat...

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    Re: After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassim View Post
    Does "felt like a crushed flower" do not sound natural?

    Do I need past perfect in the first part of my sentence like this?
    After his team had suffered a humiliating defeat...
    The ending phrase sounds a bit wishy-washy/flimsy for a football manager!

    You don't have to use the past perfect in the first part but it wouldn't be wrong.
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    Re: After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    emsr2d2,

    Actually, I listened to the Croatian veteran basketball player commenting the defeat the Croatian basketball team suffered by the Russian, and expressing his disappointment. In original, he used a phrase combining urine and flower, but I didn't know how to translate that phrase to sound a proper English.
    I can try to write it, but I am not sure how it sounds in English.

    He told journalists he felt like a pissed upon flower.

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    Re: After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    Like a wilted flower.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    We have an idiom that's used when you're excited about something and then someone comes along and says or does something that takes away your excitement or spoils your fun. I guess that could apply to a football manager who thought his team would win and then the other team spoiled that plan by beating them! The idiom is:

    to rain on someone's parade

    There's a similar one used in my family (though I've rarely heard it anywhere else): to piss on someone's brushfire

    Jane: I'm so excited. I've got a date on Friday night?
    Sarah: Who with?
    Jane: With Dave, the cute guy from IT.
    Sarah: The one with really bad breath?
    Jane: Um, I don't know. I haven't got that close yet.
    Sarah: Oh, well, um, pretend I didn't say anything.
    Jane: Anything else I should know?
    Sarah: He has really smelly feet and he's married.
    Jane: Right. Thanks. That's really pissed on my brushfire!
    Sarah: Sorry!
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    Re: After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    Thank you for your suggestion. My problem is how to write a correct sentence using the idiom above.

    Would this version be OK?

    After his team suffered a humiliating defeat, the manager told journalists he felt as if it had rained on his parade.

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    Re: After his team suffered a humiliating defeat

    No. Let's say he's the manager of Arsenal.

    After his team suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of St Agnes, the Arsenal manager told journalists that the bottom-division team had really rained on his parade!
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