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    1. There is a place, next to him, sit there.
    2. There is the place, next to him, sit there. Here is my doubt. We can use a definite noun phrase with 'there' when there means 'in that place' , but in (1) indefinite article "a" is used. So how can we say "there" is an adverb answering to question "where"?

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    Re: Dummy subjects

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    1. There is a place, next to him, sit there.

    Omit the first comma. Change the second to a semi-colon or full stop.
    The first 'there' is a dummy subject.

    Or, if you retain the first comma, while still changing the second, the first 'there' is an adverb.


    2. There is the place, next to him, sit there.

    Retain the first comma. Change the second to a semi-colon or full stop. The first 'there' is an adverb.
    1. There is a place next to him; sit there. or There is a place next to him. Sit there.

    2. There is the place, next to him; sit there. or There is the place, next to him. Sit there. Are these ok now?

    and I am not understanding what you are saying by this " if you retain the first comma, while still changing the second, the first 'there' is an adverb."?

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    Re: Dummy subjects

    I understand it in the following way:

    1.There is a place next to him. Sit there.
    = A place is next to him. Sit there.
    The underlined 'there' is a dummy subject.

    2. There is a place, next to him. Sit there.
    = A place is there, next to him. Sit there.
    The underlined 'there' is an adverb.
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    Re: Dummy subjects

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    I understand it in the following way:

    2. There is a place, next to him. Sit there.
    I think your 2nd sentence is wrong because of indefinite article(a place). Could you please tell me the difference between 1. There is a place, next to him and 2. There is the place, next to him. ?
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    Re: Dummy subjects

    'The place' in 2 was previously mentioned, while 'a place' in 1 was not.
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    Re: Dummy subjects

    Quote Originally Posted by Raju0 View Post
    in (1) indefinite article "a" is used. So how can we say "there" is an adverb answering to question "where"?
    It can be an answer to the question 'Where should I sit?'.
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    Re: Dummy subjects

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    'The place' in 2 was previously mentioned, while 'a place' in 1 was not.
    I know this(definite and indefinite article) and your 2nd example is wrong. You have to use "the" in your 2nd example.

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    Re: Dummy subjects

    Can you explain why it is wrong?
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    Re: Dummy subjects

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Wai View Post
    Can you explain why it is wrong?
    http://www.perfect-english-grammar.c...and-there.html

    We can use a definite noun phrase with 'there' when there means 'in that place'.
    There's the book I was looking for! (=In that place is the book I was looking for.)
    There's Lucy. (=Lucy is in that place.)
    In your 2nd sentence there is the indefinite noun phrase.
    Last edited by Raju0; 02-Nov-2017 at 16:51.

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    Re: Dummy subjects

    Quote Originally Posted by Raju0 View Post
    We can use a definite noun phrase with 'there' when there means 'in that place'.
    'We can use' does not mean the same as 'we can only use'.
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